Surviving the Frozen Wilderness: A Journey of Resilience and Transformation

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Speaker 1: so here we are again, david, how you doing

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Speaker 1: nice to have you on I'm I'm doing really

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Speaker 1: well and I, uh, I I'm thrilled to be here.

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Speaker 2: I really appreciate it I know it's.

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Speaker 1: Do you know what I was looking forward to?

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Speaker 1: This episode?

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Speaker 1: I've been itching, I've been dying to have

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Speaker 1: a chat with you because when obviously you

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Speaker 1: got in touch regarding obviously the story

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Speaker 1: and obviously the book you wrote and all

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Speaker 1: that sort of stuff, I was like oh yeah,

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Speaker 1: this is great, that right up my street

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Speaker 1: Because it's such a great story and it's

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Speaker 1: such a great experience to have, really,

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Speaker 1: isn't it?

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Speaker 1: And I'm not going to lie to you, it's a bit

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Speaker 1: of a crazy thing to do.

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Speaker 1: Let's put it that way.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, definitely.

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Speaker 1: So I mean, for people who are like kind of

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Speaker 1: listening, they don't understand about the

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Speaker 1: ins and outs of what you've done back in

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Speaker 1: the day I.

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Speaker 1: What you've done back in the day, I think

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Speaker 1: it was was it 90s?

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Speaker 2: was it back in like 93?

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Speaker 2: Was it, yeah, 91?

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Speaker 2: Um, yeah, so david decided, you know, one

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Speaker 2: day uh decided to get up and spend, spend,

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Speaker 2: uh, as a year in north canada, was it?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, in northern manitoba.

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Speaker 2: So we were about, uh, uh, we were about 120

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Speaker 2: miles south of churchill, manitoba, just to

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Speaker 2: give some frame of reference, there and

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Speaker 2: Churchill is known as the polar bear

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Speaker 2: capital of the world that in and of itself,

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Speaker 2: that town is just a.

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Speaker 2: It's full of very unique people.

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Speaker 2: It's like a town of a thousand people.

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Speaker 2: The only way to get there is by train or

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Speaker 2: plane.

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Speaker 2: And, yeah, so we were about 120 miles south

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Speaker 2: of that and that, for us, was the nearest

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Speaker 2: town.

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Speaker 1: That must be like the coldest place in the

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Speaker 1: world, Because I remember reading your book.

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Speaker 1: You said it was getting down to minus 40.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it can get really, really cold up

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Speaker 2: We saw some temperatures that even pushed

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Speaker 2: But yeah, and oddly enough, our coldest

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Speaker 2: night, I think, was our very first night

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Speaker 2: So they're just big years because then it

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Speaker 2: works.

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Speaker 1: You go you kind of as soon as you landed,

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Speaker 1: really wasn't it?

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Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, the description, the

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Speaker 1: description you wrote in the book, and

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Speaker 1: obviously I'll give them everyone,

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Speaker 1: obviously, as we've got links and that sort

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Speaker 1: for, uh, I think you've got on kindle, is

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Speaker 1: that correct?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I do.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, we'll give some links that so you can

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Speaker 1: take a look at, and it gives a really good

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Speaker 1: description of whereabouts you are.

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Speaker 1: And I think what I really enjoyed, the

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Speaker 1: start of the book.

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Speaker 1: You really set the tone pretty well about

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Speaker 1: the, the, the experience of actually flying

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Speaker 1: there first of all, and I think you called

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Speaker 1: plane that you were in yeah and then

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Speaker 1: the shit straight away, weren't you?

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Speaker 2: it was just like craziness well, the thing

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Speaker 2: rundown, the the overall goal of this was

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Speaker 2: was to live for one year in a cabin that

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Speaker 2: So there was no means of communication,

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Speaker 2: once that plane drops you off, you're there.

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Speaker 2: So if you've forgotten anything kind of

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Speaker 2: And, um, I was going in with a trip partner

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Speaker 2: We brought in about 2000 pounds worth of

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Speaker 2: like that, and really the easiest way to

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Speaker 2: Kind of traversing this country in the

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Speaker 2: So you just don't know, sometimes you'll

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Speaker 2: It's a really odd experience, and carrying

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Speaker 2: So the goal was to land to sled at least

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Speaker 2: That was the.

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Speaker 2: That was the goal.

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Speaker 2: Excuse me, the hike would take maybe three

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Speaker 2: based on past experience from other people

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Speaker 1: You had all the.

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Speaker 1: You mentioned as well the supplies that you

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Speaker 1: So you're obviously the initial first.

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Speaker 1: supplies you were taking, enough for

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Speaker 1: Did you have to take like a year's worth of

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Speaker 2: So we brought in about, like I said, we

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Speaker 2: brought in about 2 000 pounds worth of food

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Speaker 2: I don't know how those numbers break out

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Speaker 2: the first four months, after which the

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Speaker 2: of William Forgy Dr Forgy or Doc as

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Speaker 2: So we had two different drops kind of

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Speaker 2: And and it's a very odd thing to be, you

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Speaker 1: did you have to really kind of be very

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Speaker 1: So how long did that take?

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Speaker 2: well, you know most of it.

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Speaker 2: Really, it wasn't necessarily.

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Speaker 1: To be fair, I'm always the one my diet is

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Speaker 2: So, like you know, so we'd bring in these

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Speaker 2: Each individual piece of that came wrapped

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Speaker 2: and each one was about an ounce of

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Speaker 2: And so, yeah, so you, I mean yeah, we would,

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Speaker 2: that last piece, man, that was a.

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Speaker 2: That was a really sad day to see that lamb.

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Speaker 2: I should go, and it was almost ceremonial,

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Speaker 2: ate it and savored it.

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Speaker 1: With the stuff that you left behind because

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Speaker 1: Was it not concerned?

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Speaker 1: Like obviously excuse me my naivety animals

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Speaker 1: would where you dropped?

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Speaker 2: You know, I can see the river just down the

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Speaker 2: You know we, we, we know the, the compass

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Speaker 2: We're in trouble here, big trouble, and

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Speaker 1: Like you think you're a superhero,

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Speaker 1: You're not.

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Speaker 1: You don't care.

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Speaker 2: there's no way I'm dead Because you know so

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Speaker 2: Yeah, of course.

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Speaker 2: We did not bring a tent with us because

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00:17:51,948 --> 00:17:53,952
Speaker 2: we'd be standing in the cabin, so you'd

472
00:17:53,972 --> 00:17:54,474
Speaker 2: have to make you?

473
00:17:54,560 --> 00:17:56,506
Speaker 1: did you make like a mixed, a makeshift camp

474
00:17:56,626 --> 00:17:57,068
Speaker 1: sort of thing?

475
00:17:57,088 --> 00:17:58,191
Speaker 1: You'd have to kind of get some.

476
00:17:58,761 --> 00:18:02,228
Speaker 1: I would say like um uh, fire and all that

477
00:18:02,288 --> 00:18:03,029
Speaker 1: camp out the night.

478
00:18:03,350 --> 00:18:05,153
Speaker 2: We didn't even bother with the fire.

479
00:18:05,213 --> 00:18:08,986
Speaker 2: We just, we were so exhausted, we built a

480
00:18:09,689 --> 00:18:10,151
Speaker 2: shelter.

481
00:18:10,915 --> 00:18:12,145
Speaker 2: Uh, that was made essentially.

482
00:18:12,165 --> 00:18:14,368
Speaker 2: You know, ideally, in a situation like that,

483
00:18:14,420 --> 00:18:16,406
Speaker 2: you would want to make a snow shelter would

484
00:18:16,426 --> 00:18:17,068
Speaker 2: be a deal.

485
00:18:17,890 --> 00:18:19,184
Speaker 2: But again, you can't pack.

486
00:18:19,204 --> 00:18:21,722
Speaker 2: The snow doesn't pack, uh, or at least it

487
00:18:21,782 --> 00:18:24,790
Speaker 2: won't pack within a reasonable amount of

488
00:18:24,851 --> 00:18:25,681
Speaker 2: time Up there.

489
00:18:25,722 --> 00:18:27,667
Speaker 2: You'd have to let it really settle before

490
00:18:27,708 --> 00:18:28,731
Speaker 2: you could dig it out.

491
00:18:29,761 --> 00:18:33,227
Speaker 2: So we constructed the shelter out of pine

492
00:18:33,268 --> 00:18:37,202
Speaker 2: boughs, and the shelter was hideous, like

493
00:18:37,262 --> 00:18:38,688
Speaker 2: it wouldn't have saved anyone.

494
00:18:39,241 --> 00:18:42,986
Speaker 2: But I think, mentally, the act of taking

495
00:18:43,066 --> 00:18:46,852
Speaker 2: some action was really beneficial, you know,

496
00:18:46,872 --> 00:18:49,415
Speaker 2: because it's like, okay, well, we're doing

497
00:18:49,476 --> 00:18:51,187
Speaker 2: it, we're doing something, you know, here.

498
00:18:52,061 --> 00:18:55,567
Speaker 2: And once we had the shelter constructed, we

499
00:18:56,469 --> 00:18:59,394
Speaker 2: put sleeping pads down on the floor of this.

500
00:19:00,201 --> 00:19:02,926
Speaker 2: We opened up one of our sleeping bags and

501
00:19:02,946 --> 00:19:05,009
Speaker 2: then we both climbed into the other

502
00:19:05,069 --> 00:19:07,213
Speaker 2: sleeping bag that we had and pulled the

503
00:19:07,293 --> 00:19:08,175
Speaker 2: open one around us.

504
00:19:09,020 --> 00:19:11,786
Speaker 2: So spooning my trip partner was definitely

505
00:19:11,886 --> 00:19:14,832
Speaker 2: not something that I had envisioned before

506
00:19:14,872 --> 00:19:15,353
Speaker 2: this whole thing.

507
00:19:16,181 --> 00:19:17,706
Speaker 1: It's ticked off the bucket list now, though.

508
00:19:18,007 --> 00:19:19,090
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, check it out.

509
00:19:21,024 --> 00:19:23,331
Speaker 2: But we literally just kind of huddled in

510
00:19:23,371 --> 00:19:26,099
Speaker 2: there, uh, to try to share whatever,

511
00:19:26,219 --> 00:19:28,384
Speaker 2: whatever heat there there was by now it's

512
00:19:28,465 --> 00:19:31,572
Speaker 2: probably 45 ish below somewhere in the

513
00:19:31,591 --> 00:19:36,005
Speaker 2: outback of the woods and uh, and, just you

514
00:19:36,045 --> 00:19:39,673
Speaker 2: know, laid down to, uh, and and just be you

515
00:19:39,693 --> 00:19:41,975
Speaker 2: know, hope, hope that we would make it to

516
00:19:41,995 --> 00:19:42,400
Speaker 2: the morning.

517
00:19:42,580 --> 00:19:45,409
Speaker 2: We realized, I think, the the severity of

518
00:19:45,489 --> 00:19:46,351
Speaker 2: this situation.

519
00:19:46,500 --> 00:19:49,462
Speaker 2: We knew, but it was touch and go, it could

520
00:19:49,482 --> 00:19:50,631
Speaker 2: have really gone either way.

521
00:19:52,443 --> 00:19:53,245
Speaker 1: One thing I was going to ask.

522
00:19:53,386 --> 00:19:55,882
Speaker 1: Actually, you know, it's that cold and this

523
00:19:55,902 --> 00:19:57,308
Speaker 1: is coming from my experience.

524
00:19:57,380 --> 00:19:59,306
Speaker 1: Obviously I've never been in like minus 30

525
00:19:59,547 --> 00:20:02,064
Speaker 1: sort of thing temperatures, but obviously

526
00:20:02,084 --> 00:20:04,006
Speaker 1: from Scotland, as you can tell, we get our

527
00:20:04,047 --> 00:20:05,661
Speaker 1: fair share of cold temperatures up there.

528
00:20:06,222 --> 00:20:08,026
Speaker 1: And one thing that I realize is if you're

529
00:20:08,046 --> 00:20:11,253
Speaker 1: doing like sort of like a long hike or any

530
00:20:11,313 --> 00:20:13,184
Speaker 1: sort of like activity, a long period of

531
00:20:13,224 --> 00:20:14,928
Speaker 1: time, you're all kitted out, you've got

532
00:20:14,948 --> 00:20:17,242
Speaker 1: your gear on, but you do sweat.

533
00:20:17,824 --> 00:20:19,551
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, so you do sweat, which is

534
00:20:19,812 --> 00:20:21,559
Speaker 1: obviously the natural thing, but a lot of

535
00:20:21,579 --> 00:20:23,124
Speaker 1: people don't understand that that makes you

536
00:20:23,164 --> 00:20:25,331
Speaker 1: wet and then it also gets cold and all that

537
00:20:25,371 --> 00:20:25,792
Speaker 1: sort of stuff.

538
00:20:25,812 --> 00:20:27,879
Speaker 1: How was, what was the situation with that?

539
00:20:27,899 --> 00:20:29,144
Speaker 1: I mean, I've had it before and it's only

540
00:20:29,184 --> 00:20:31,494
Speaker 1: been like minus 10 or minus 5 and that was

541
00:20:31,534 --> 00:20:31,936
Speaker 1: horrible.

542
00:20:32,237 --> 00:20:33,501
Speaker 2: So it's such a good question.

543
00:20:33,621 --> 00:20:34,604
Speaker 2: It's such a good question.

544
00:20:34,684 --> 00:20:37,972
Speaker 2: So when we started this hike, I'd never

545
00:20:38,012 --> 00:20:39,241
Speaker 2: been in those temperatures either.

546
00:20:39,402 --> 00:20:41,185
Speaker 2: I don't know what the hell 40 below is like.

547
00:20:41,465 --> 00:20:44,050
Speaker 2: So I had every single piece of winter gear

548
00:20:44,250 --> 00:20:46,194
Speaker 2: on that I that I brought with me.

549
00:20:46,314 --> 00:20:48,224
Speaker 2: I had like a full face mask.

550
00:20:48,585 --> 00:20:50,429
Speaker 2: I mean I was the only thing you could see

551
00:20:50,469 --> 00:20:51,591
Speaker 2: was maybe my eyes.

552
00:20:51,772 --> 00:20:54,464
Speaker 2: I was just like a, you know, all bundled up

553
00:20:55,547 --> 00:20:57,872
Speaker 2: and just a few steps into the trees I'm I'm

554
00:20:57,952 --> 00:20:59,884
Speaker 2: starting to, you know, I'm starting to peel

555
00:20:59,944 --> 00:21:02,795
Speaker 2: layers away, yeah, to avoid that very thing,

556
00:21:02,855 --> 00:21:04,763
Speaker 2: you know, to avoid building up too much

557
00:21:04,823 --> 00:21:05,144
Speaker 2: sweat.

558
00:21:05,185 --> 00:21:07,504
Speaker 2: You've got to kind of vent that.

559
00:21:07,965 --> 00:21:09,188
Speaker 2: And of course, scott did the same.

560
00:21:09,248 --> 00:21:11,113
Speaker 2: Now, when we got to, when we built the

561
00:21:11,220 --> 00:21:14,145
Speaker 2: shelter, I kept complaining about my feet.

562
00:21:14,546 --> 00:21:18,653
Speaker 2: We, we wore mucklucks, um, which are, uh,

563
00:21:19,134 --> 00:21:21,845
Speaker 2: you know, kind of a, uh, an Eskimo moccasin,

564
00:21:21,905 --> 00:21:23,007
Speaker 2: for lack of a better word.

565
00:21:24,109 --> 00:21:27,742
Speaker 2: They're brilliant and wonderful things and

566
00:21:28,585 --> 00:21:32,119
Speaker 2: the so I, but my feet were just really

567
00:21:32,179 --> 00:21:35,325
Speaker 2: hurting and so I, I took my, my mucklets

568
00:21:35,626 --> 00:21:39,293
Speaker 2: off and I kept trying to kind of, with my

569
00:21:39,473 --> 00:21:42,245
Speaker 2: hand, kind of move my toes back and forth

570
00:21:42,345 --> 00:21:45,372
Speaker 2: just to kind of keep circulation moving,

571
00:21:45,392 --> 00:21:45,993
Speaker 2: the blood flowing.

572
00:21:46,013 --> 00:21:48,486
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I kept asking Scott, I'm like, do

573
00:21:48,526 --> 00:21:49,650
Speaker 2: your feet hurt?

574
00:21:49,780 --> 00:21:51,347
Speaker 2: And he's like, no, they don't.

575
00:21:51,500 --> 00:21:54,568
Speaker 2: Well, you'll, we'll, we'll get to this in a

576
00:21:54,608 --> 00:21:54,809
Speaker 2: minute.

577
00:21:54,829 --> 00:21:56,032
Speaker 2: But that that cost him.

578
00:21:56,100 --> 00:21:58,746
Speaker 2: And it does deal with that exact issue that

579
00:21:58,786 --> 00:22:01,032
Speaker 2: you're talking about with perspiration

580
00:22:01,072 --> 00:22:01,392
Speaker 2: buildup.

581
00:22:01,432 --> 00:22:07,681
Speaker 2: Yeah, so, so, yeah.

582
00:22:07,721 --> 00:22:08,402
Speaker 2: So we were in this shelter.

583
00:22:08,422 --> 00:22:10,406
Speaker 2: Every 30 minutes or so we're asking each

584
00:22:10,426 --> 00:22:11,108
Speaker 2: other hey, are you okay?

585
00:22:11,148 --> 00:22:14,214
Speaker 2: I'm okay, you're okay, you know, and it was.

586
00:22:14,581 --> 00:22:17,109
Speaker 2: It was again absolutely silent.

587
00:22:17,149 --> 00:22:19,918
Speaker 2: The only thing that I remember there's two

588
00:22:19,978 --> 00:22:20,239
Speaker 2: things.

589
00:22:20,319 --> 00:22:23,166
Speaker 2: I remember hearing one, uh, some of the

590
00:22:23,226 --> 00:22:25,552
Speaker 2: trees that were around us were popping from

591
00:22:25,592 --> 00:22:26,053
Speaker 2: the cold.

592
00:22:26,301 --> 00:22:27,525
Speaker 2: So they'll, they'll, they'll.

593
00:22:27,946 --> 00:22:29,882
Speaker 2: The sap will expand, the trees will

594
00:22:30,565 --> 00:22:31,509
Speaker 2: essentially Okay.

595
00:22:32,460 --> 00:22:34,905
Speaker 2: And and also the sound of my breath when it

596
00:22:34,985 --> 00:22:35,626
Speaker 2: hit the air.

597
00:22:35,686 --> 00:22:39,492
Speaker 2: It sounded like, um, like a, when you spray

598
00:22:39,533 --> 00:22:40,855
Speaker 2: a spray bottle, it hits it.

599
00:22:41,622 --> 00:22:43,982
Speaker 2: It just hit it Really, because your breath

600
00:22:44,764 --> 00:22:46,790
Speaker 2: like crystallizes when it when it hits the

601
00:22:46,910 --> 00:22:47,030
Speaker 2: air.

602
00:22:47,191 --> 00:22:49,564
Speaker 2: So it was, yeah, one of the all these

603
00:22:50,285 --> 00:22:52,910
Speaker 2: really weird things that you learn in

604
00:22:53,151 --> 00:22:55,642
Speaker 2: extreme cold, you know what was that like

605
00:22:55,662 --> 00:22:56,163
Speaker 2: psychology?

606
00:22:56,524 --> 00:22:58,429
Speaker 1: psychologically, you know you, because you

607
00:22:58,449 --> 00:23:00,703
Speaker 1: mentioned, the only reason that this bring

608
00:23:00,783 --> 00:23:03,973
Speaker 1: I, bring this up is because one of my

609
00:23:03,993 --> 00:23:05,638
Speaker 1: friends were talking about this the other

610
00:23:05,658 --> 00:23:08,280
Speaker 1: day and we were talking about the room I

611
00:23:08,301 --> 00:23:10,347
Speaker 1: think it's NASA that built it that it's got

612
00:23:10,428 --> 00:23:11,030
Speaker 1: no sound.

613
00:23:13,716 --> 00:23:15,350
Speaker 1: You can only spend like seven minutes in

614
00:23:15,370 --> 00:23:16,239
Speaker 1: there, otherwise you go.

615
00:23:16,561 --> 00:23:17,987
Speaker 1: You basically go crazy, you go insane.

616
00:23:18,482 --> 00:23:21,231
Speaker 1: I mean so, being in that sort of scenario

617
00:23:21,252 --> 00:23:23,304
Speaker 1: like yourself, with all that sort of like

618
00:23:23,585 --> 00:23:25,163
Speaker 1: different, and you talked about your breath

619
00:23:25,244 --> 00:23:26,783
Speaker 1: and the quietness, I mean, how did that

620
00:23:26,803 --> 00:23:27,265
Speaker 1: affect you?

621
00:23:28,582 --> 00:23:31,090
Speaker 2: It takes well, at least for me.

622
00:23:31,180 --> 00:23:34,610
Speaker 2: It took me a while to just kind of get used

623
00:23:34,650 --> 00:23:35,031
Speaker 2: to that.

624
00:23:36,041 --> 00:23:38,649
Speaker 2: It certainly was nowhere near as bad as the

625
00:23:38,689 --> 00:23:41,531
Speaker 2: room, obviously, but you know that place,

626
00:23:41,833 --> 00:23:43,904
Speaker 2: especially in winter when everything is

627
00:23:44,024 --> 00:23:44,667
Speaker 2: insulated.

628
00:23:45,169 --> 00:23:45,369
Speaker 1: Right.

629
00:23:46,620 --> 00:23:46,780
Speaker 2: It.

630
00:23:48,282 --> 00:23:50,104
Speaker 2: I think you know I mentioned this.

631
00:23:51,386 --> 00:23:52,788
Speaker 2: I think I mentioned in the book that it was

632
00:23:52,828 --> 00:23:54,070
Speaker 2: almost annoying, you know.

633
00:23:54,150 --> 00:23:56,133
Speaker 2: So I think I called it the deafening

634
00:23:56,274 --> 00:23:56,755
Speaker 2: silence.

635
00:23:56,915 --> 00:24:02,870
Speaker 2: You know, it just is that, so it takes time

636
00:24:03,030 --> 00:24:08,191
Speaker 2: to get used to, for sure, so it was a bit

637
00:24:08,211 --> 00:24:08,271
Speaker 2: odd.

638
00:24:11,445 --> 00:24:13,949
Speaker 1: Especially if you're coming from like any

639
00:24:13,990 --> 00:24:15,031
Speaker 1: sort of civilization.

640
00:24:15,091 --> 00:24:16,794
Speaker 1: Even if you're in a town, you're still

641
00:24:16,814 --> 00:24:18,797
Speaker 1: going to have noise.

642
00:24:18,817 --> 00:24:20,119
Speaker 1: It doesn't matter what it is, it could be

643
00:24:20,300 --> 00:24:21,930
Speaker 1: anything, it could be obviously animals.

644
00:24:21,950 --> 00:24:23,990
Speaker 1: There You'd have cars driving past, planes

645
00:24:24,010 --> 00:24:26,248
Speaker 1: going across, whatever it is, and then just

646
00:24:26,288 --> 00:24:29,376
Speaker 1: to be in that from one day and then

647
00:24:29,416 --> 00:24:31,792
Speaker 1: tomorrow it's just completely different.

648
00:24:32,305 --> 00:24:34,914
Speaker 1: That must be such a massive change to you.

649
00:24:35,687 --> 00:24:37,665
Speaker 2: It's the same thing whether you're, if

650
00:24:37,685 --> 00:24:40,715
Speaker 2: you're going in or coming out, there's

651
00:24:40,865 --> 00:24:43,171
Speaker 2: there's a period of time that I feel like

652
00:24:43,633 --> 00:24:45,197
Speaker 2: you almost have to acclimatize.

653
00:24:46,106 --> 00:24:48,752
Speaker 2: And when you're going into the wilderness,

654
00:24:48,972 --> 00:24:50,696
Speaker 2: like it, it and again.

655
00:24:50,756 --> 00:24:54,366
Speaker 2: For me anyway, I find that it it back.

656
00:24:54,426 --> 00:24:57,696
Speaker 2: Then it took me at least a couple of weeks,

657
00:24:57,845 --> 00:25:02,113
Speaker 2: anytime I went in, to just slow down to

658
00:25:02,194 --> 00:25:04,899
Speaker 2: kind of the rhythm of your environment and

659
00:25:04,959 --> 00:25:08,252
Speaker 2: just get used to that pace and that

660
00:25:08,693 --> 00:25:10,958
Speaker 2: weirdness and same thing coming out.

661
00:25:10,985 --> 00:25:11,944
Speaker 2: I mean coming out, you're, you're like

662
00:25:11,927 --> 00:25:12,490
Speaker 2: white knuckle.

663
00:25:12,473 --> 00:25:13,732
Speaker 2: When you're screaming down the highway, you

664
00:25:13,715 --> 00:25:14,273
Speaker 2: know you're like going, it's just whoa,

665
00:25:14,256 --> 00:25:14,611
Speaker 2: it's, it's an overload of of.

666
00:25:14,593 --> 00:25:15,149
Speaker 2: You know you're like white knuckle.

667
00:25:15,132 --> 00:25:15,809
Speaker 2: When you're screaming down the highway, you

668
00:25:15,792 --> 00:25:17,265
Speaker 2: know you're like going, it's just whoa,

669
00:25:17,346 --> 00:25:18,910
Speaker 2: it's an overload of.

670
00:25:19,312 --> 00:25:20,936
Speaker 2: You know of your senses.

671
00:25:21,567 --> 00:25:22,572
Speaker 2: So it's definitely bizarre.

672
00:25:22,985 --> 00:25:24,626
Speaker 1: Yeah, so one extreme to the other and then

673
00:25:24,787 --> 00:25:26,191
Speaker 1: again going back, sort of thing.

674
00:25:26,231 --> 00:25:28,156
Speaker 1: It's a crazy sort of scenario.

675
00:25:29,247 --> 00:25:31,895
Speaker 1: So the first night you guys were literally

676
00:25:31,935 --> 00:25:33,912
Speaker 1: in trouble and you mentioned that we're

677
00:25:33,932 --> 00:25:34,273
Speaker 1: going there.

678
00:25:36,966 --> 00:25:37,547
Speaker 1: I mean, how did did?

679
00:25:37,567 --> 00:25:39,090
Speaker 1: Did you get any sleep that night, did you

680
00:25:39,130 --> 00:25:39,431
Speaker 1: just?

681
00:25:39,451 --> 00:25:40,253
Speaker 2: stay awake, did you rest?

682
00:25:40,593 --> 00:25:43,566
Speaker 2: Uh, just just pockets of sleep and so so

683
00:25:43,606 --> 00:25:46,592
Speaker 2: here again, you know we we have barely had

684
00:25:46,652 --> 00:25:49,318
Speaker 2: anything to eat that day, very little to

685
00:25:49,378 --> 00:25:53,552
Speaker 2: drink, um uh, clearly in a, in quite a

686
00:25:53,632 --> 00:25:55,937
Speaker 2: situation, uh, but luckily you know that

687
00:25:56,097 --> 00:25:59,270
Speaker 2: that following morning the sun comes up and

688
00:25:59,952 --> 00:26:01,777
Speaker 2: it was a really motivational thing, even

689
00:26:01,817 --> 00:26:04,445
Speaker 2: though it was still ridiculously cold.

690
00:26:04,826 --> 00:26:06,811
Speaker 2: Yeah, we got the impression like oh look

691
00:26:06,911 --> 00:26:08,656
Speaker 2: it's like the sun, and we almost worshipped

692
00:26:08,736 --> 00:26:11,154
Speaker 2: it, you know, did you start singing in the

693
00:26:11,194 --> 00:26:11,515
Speaker 2: background?

694
00:26:11,535 --> 00:26:13,163
Speaker 1: because I can imagine in that scenario it's

695
00:26:13,203 --> 00:26:15,030
Speaker 1: all quiet and then the sun comes up.

696
00:26:15,171 --> 00:26:16,697
Speaker 1: All I can just imagine is like some sort of

697
00:26:16,737 --> 00:26:18,705
Speaker 1: motivational speech coming with it, you

698
00:26:18,725 --> 00:26:20,068
Speaker 1: know you've got you've got like david

699
00:26:20,088 --> 00:26:22,435
Speaker 1: goggins, say something to him to back your

700
00:26:22,475 --> 00:26:23,826
Speaker 1: head while the sun comes up.

701
00:26:24,147 --> 00:26:25,190
Speaker 1: Who's going to carry the boats?

702
00:26:26,553 --> 00:26:27,114
Speaker 2: exactly.

703
00:26:27,214 --> 00:26:30,843
Speaker 2: Well, we, you know we were still too, uh,

704
00:26:31,564 --> 00:26:33,830
Speaker 2: we were still, I think, in too much of a

705
00:26:33,910 --> 00:26:36,317
Speaker 2: situation to do any celebrating.

706
00:26:36,357 --> 00:26:36,617
Speaker 1: Enjoy it.

707
00:26:37,006 --> 00:26:39,214
Speaker 2: Our goal was to like let's find this damn

708
00:26:39,234 --> 00:26:39,375
Speaker 2: thing.

709
00:26:39,565 --> 00:26:40,474
Speaker 1: Let's stay alive.

710
00:26:41,186 --> 00:26:42,673
Speaker 1: Let's stay alive for one more night, yeah.

711
00:26:43,225 --> 00:26:46,486
Speaker 2: So we look again for maybe another hour and

712
00:26:47,248 --> 00:26:50,137
Speaker 2: we realize like this is, we need to regroup.

713
00:26:50,625 --> 00:26:52,152
Speaker 2: And so we go back to the lake.

714
00:26:52,305 --> 00:26:55,452
Speaker 2: Now, luckily, because we'd broken that

715
00:26:55,532 --> 00:26:57,597
Speaker 2: snowshoe trail, we packed all that snow

716
00:26:57,657 --> 00:26:57,898
Speaker 2: down.

717
00:26:59,086 --> 00:27:02,073
Speaker 2: Our trip back was that three and a half

718
00:27:02,173 --> 00:27:04,138
Speaker 2: hours that we initially expected.

719
00:27:04,786 --> 00:27:06,631
Speaker 2: So you know, luckily now the trail is at

720
00:27:06,672 --> 00:27:08,196
Speaker 2: least broken and we can move over it

721
00:27:08,236 --> 00:27:08,577
Speaker 2: quickly.

722
00:27:09,687 --> 00:27:12,278
Speaker 2: We get back to the lake and decide to set

723
00:27:12,338 --> 00:27:13,785
Speaker 2: up one of our tents that we have.

724
00:27:13,925 --> 00:27:18,927
Speaker 2: This is an older canvas-style tent, like an

725
00:27:19,087 --> 00:27:20,491
Speaker 2: old wood tent.

726
00:27:21,254 --> 00:27:21,735
Speaker 1: And it came.

727
00:27:21,785 --> 00:27:22,885
Speaker 1: It's a man's tent, isn't it?

728
00:27:22,925 --> 00:27:24,290
Speaker 1: It's like what men do when they're out in

729
00:27:24,310 --> 00:27:24,812
Speaker 1: the wilderness.

730
00:27:24,852 --> 00:27:27,332
Speaker 1: None of this, yeah, none of this manly tent,

731
00:27:27,445 --> 00:27:30,232
Speaker 1: none of this pop-up stuff with insulation.

732
00:27:30,292 --> 00:27:31,114
Speaker 1: I wear a man's tent.

733
00:27:31,195 --> 00:27:56,745
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's right, right, no-transcript of

734
00:27:56,906 --> 00:27:59,511
Speaker 2: aluminum foil, because we're 19 and that's

735
00:27:59,551 --> 00:27:59,992
Speaker 2: what you do.

736
00:28:00,894 --> 00:28:01,395
Speaker 2: And we get.

737
00:28:01,415 --> 00:28:03,386
Speaker 2: We get the stove fired up and all of a

738
00:28:03,406 --> 00:28:05,089
Speaker 2: sudden, like you could just start to feel

739
00:28:05,229 --> 00:28:08,757
Speaker 2: warm, you know, and and we just put a pot

740
00:28:08,997 --> 00:28:12,671
Speaker 2: of snow on the stove to melt for water and

741
00:28:12,731 --> 00:28:14,695
Speaker 2: right around the time it started turning

742
00:28:14,735 --> 00:28:15,417
Speaker 2: into slush.

743
00:28:15,617 --> 00:28:18,770
Speaker 2: I hear Scott, my partner, yell fire and I

744
00:28:18,810 --> 00:28:21,515
Speaker 2: woke up and sure enough that that the top

745
00:28:21,575 --> 00:28:24,086
Speaker 2: of the tent, uh, had caught on fire because

746
00:28:24,106 --> 00:28:25,789
Speaker 2: of this crazy stovepipe.

747
00:28:25,889 --> 00:28:28,913
Speaker 2: Oh, yeah, yeah, this is, it's crazy.

748
00:28:29,715 --> 00:28:34,210
Speaker 2: So Scott says he's like, I'm going to, I'll

749
00:28:34,250 --> 00:28:36,543
Speaker 2: take care of the fire, you take care of the

750
00:28:36,623 --> 00:28:36,945
Speaker 2: stove.

751
00:28:37,506 --> 00:28:40,532
Speaker 2: So I essentially kind of put heavy gloves

752
00:28:40,593 --> 00:28:43,078
Speaker 2: on and threw the entire stove out of the

753
00:28:43,118 --> 00:28:43,379
Speaker 2: tent.

754
00:28:44,466 --> 00:28:48,096
Speaker 2: I moved, of course, the slushy water off of

755
00:28:48,176 --> 00:28:50,891
Speaker 2: the stove and this whole process took

756
00:28:51,232 --> 00:28:53,911
Speaker 2: seconds, right, but in that time the slushy

757
00:28:53,971 --> 00:28:55,416
Speaker 2: water was now ice, right.

758
00:28:58,365 --> 00:28:59,187
Speaker 2: Seconds right, but in that time that the

759
00:28:59,207 --> 00:28:59,950
Speaker 2: slushy water was now ice, right.

760
00:28:59,970 --> 00:29:00,772
Speaker 2: So, once again, barely anything to drink,

761
00:29:00,792 --> 00:29:02,618
Speaker 2: um, nothing really to eat that second day

762
00:29:02,658 --> 00:29:05,065
Speaker 2: and we, we've just output a tremendous

763
00:29:05,265 --> 00:29:07,592
Speaker 2: amount of of energy and it has like.

764
00:29:07,933 --> 00:29:10,219
Speaker 2: So we're, we're starting to feel the

765
00:29:10,259 --> 00:29:10,981
Speaker 2: effects of this.

766
00:29:11,402 --> 00:29:13,928
Speaker 2: Yeah, we lay down to go to sleep that night,

767
00:29:14,429 --> 00:29:18,137
Speaker 2: um, and we're at least sheltered from the

768
00:29:18,217 --> 00:29:22,112
Speaker 2: wind, more or less, um, but we did end up

769
00:29:22,152 --> 00:29:25,821
Speaker 2: getting hit with, uh, quite a uh storm that

770
00:29:25,921 --> 00:29:28,587
Speaker 2: evening that really kind of kind of beat

771
00:29:28,627 --> 00:29:31,774
Speaker 2: the tent down around us and we weren't even

772
00:29:31,814 --> 00:29:33,846
Speaker 2: going to bother like getting up and trying

773
00:29:33,866 --> 00:29:35,049
Speaker 2: to to fix anything.

774
00:29:35,089 --> 00:29:36,855
Speaker 2: We're were just what the hell Like.

775
00:29:36,875 --> 00:29:37,456
Speaker 2: That's fine.

776
00:29:37,905 --> 00:29:38,929
Speaker 1: That's the thing that really gets.

777
00:29:38,989 --> 00:29:40,968
Speaker 1: It's the wind in it, it's when it's the.

778
00:29:41,048 --> 00:29:42,654
Speaker 1: It's great, fair enough, it's cold, it's

779
00:29:42,674 --> 00:29:44,690
Speaker 1: fantastic, but it's just that wind that

780
00:29:44,710 --> 00:29:45,172
Speaker 1: comes with it.

781
00:29:45,605 --> 00:29:47,773
Speaker 1: That is what that brings something that's

782
00:29:47,813 --> 00:29:47,974
Speaker 1: down.

783
00:29:48,105 --> 00:29:49,506
Speaker 1: It could be 10 to minus 10.

784
00:29:49,786 --> 00:29:54,089
Speaker 1: That brings it down to yeah definitely, um.

785
00:29:54,449 --> 00:29:56,870
Speaker 2: So the next morning this tent looked this

786
00:29:56,910 --> 00:29:59,071
Speaker 2: is now day three this tent, the poor tent,

787
00:29:59,092 --> 00:30:02,313
Speaker 2: looked like, uh, just a heap on the, on the,

788
00:30:02,594 --> 00:30:06,276
Speaker 2: on the ice there, and, um, we decided to to

789
00:30:06,356 --> 00:30:08,677
Speaker 2: go back to the river, this time bringing a

790
00:30:08,757 --> 00:30:11,759
Speaker 2: more modern kind of a geodesic dome tent

791
00:30:11,859 --> 00:30:16,082
Speaker 2: that I'm sure everyone has seen before A

792
00:30:16,182 --> 00:30:19,103
Speaker 2: bunch of food, you know, more provisions.

793
00:30:20,747 --> 00:30:24,932
Speaker 2: We make the hike back to the river and the

794
00:30:24,972 --> 00:30:28,290
Speaker 2: problem was with this style of tent.

795
00:30:28,351 --> 00:30:32,252
Speaker 2: For anyone who's unfamiliar, the structure

796
00:30:32,332 --> 00:30:34,705
Speaker 2: is supported with long fiberglass poles

797
00:30:34,926 --> 00:30:37,546
Speaker 2: that are collapsible and there's a there's

798
00:30:37,566 --> 00:30:39,693
Speaker 2: like a bungee cord that runs through the

799
00:30:39,773 --> 00:30:40,575
Speaker 2: entire length.

800
00:30:40,766 --> 00:30:43,053
Speaker 2: So it like helped pull the pieces together.

801
00:30:43,374 --> 00:30:45,050
Speaker 1: Yeah, I know, I know exactly what you're

802
00:30:45,070 --> 00:30:45,572
Speaker 1: talking about.

803
00:30:45,825 --> 00:30:47,171
Speaker 1: I think I beat someone 40.

804
00:30:47,345 --> 00:30:50,795
Speaker 2: Pull those apart at 40 below that bungee

805
00:30:50,835 --> 00:30:51,136
Speaker 2: cord.

806
00:30:51,506 --> 00:30:52,649
Speaker 2: Doesn't it just sads?

807
00:30:53,030 --> 00:30:53,432
Speaker 1: It's not going to.

808
00:30:53,472 --> 00:30:54,756
Speaker 1: It's not, it's not going to bungee anymore.

809
00:30:57,705 --> 00:30:58,467
Speaker 2: All doesn't, it just sads, it's not, it's

810
00:30:58,487 --> 00:30:59,168
Speaker 2: not, it's not gonna bungee anymore.

811
00:30:59,228 --> 00:30:59,709
Speaker 2: All of its elasticity.

812
00:30:59,729 --> 00:31:00,911
Speaker 2: So now, now we have to take our gloves off

813
00:31:01,172 --> 00:31:04,038
Speaker 2: and open a pocket knife and cut each one of

814
00:31:04,078 --> 00:31:07,570
Speaker 2: these out, and it sounds so trivial there,

815
00:31:07,730 --> 00:31:11,196
Speaker 2: but there were, like, I think, whatever 50

816
00:31:11,276 --> 00:31:13,849
Speaker 2: or 56 of them that you have to, you know,

817
00:31:13,869 --> 00:31:15,257
Speaker 2: because there's eight, eight sections, and

818
00:31:15,639 --> 00:31:17,988
Speaker 2: so you're cutting these things out and you

819
00:31:18,028 --> 00:31:19,934
Speaker 2: can do maybe three, and then you've got to

820
00:31:19,994 --> 00:31:21,446
Speaker 2: put your gloves back on because your

821
00:31:21,526 --> 00:31:23,611
Speaker 2: fingers just don't work in those

822
00:31:23,651 --> 00:31:24,172
Speaker 2: temperatures.

823
00:31:25,194 --> 00:31:27,586
Speaker 2: So that took forever, and by the time we

824
00:31:27,726 --> 00:31:30,833
Speaker 2: finally got this thing set up, I remember

825
00:31:31,054 --> 00:31:33,178
Speaker 2: seeing Scott's face as he was climbing into

826
00:31:33,218 --> 00:31:34,268
Speaker 2: the, into this tent.

827
00:31:34,689 --> 00:31:36,517
Speaker 2: He turned around and looked at me for

828
00:31:37,240 --> 00:31:38,627
Speaker 2: asking a question or something and I

829
00:31:38,667 --> 00:31:41,485
Speaker 2: thought, my God, like he looked horrible,

830
00:31:41,746 --> 00:31:45,255
Speaker 2: like that, he's blue and he's gone and this.

831
00:31:45,656 --> 00:31:47,591
Speaker 2: And then I thought, well, I must look the

832
00:31:47,651 --> 00:31:49,319
Speaker 2: exact same, like this is a mess.

833
00:31:49,400 --> 00:31:51,388
Speaker 2: You know, we we climb in.

834
00:31:52,211 --> 00:31:55,631
Speaker 2: We now have a, a backpacking Coleman, one

835
00:31:55,672 --> 00:32:00,468
Speaker 2: burner stove and white gas, and while you

836
00:32:00,528 --> 00:32:02,352
Speaker 2: shouldn't necessarily fire one of these up

837
00:32:02,412 --> 00:32:05,038
Speaker 2: in a tent that we thought the hell with it.

838
00:32:05,085 --> 00:32:07,993
Speaker 2: Like, so long as we die warm, the half will

839
00:32:08,013 --> 00:32:09,657
Speaker 2: be, will be, will be on with it.

840
00:32:10,146 --> 00:32:11,793
Speaker 2: I have no worries breaking the rules.

841
00:32:12,286 --> 00:32:13,929
Speaker 2: The second we lit that stove.

842
00:32:14,610 --> 00:32:18,659
Speaker 2: The entire tent almost inflated like a hot

843
00:32:18,699 --> 00:32:19,206
Speaker 2: air balloon.

844
00:32:20,027 --> 00:32:23,293
Speaker 2: Uh, just filled with hot air and uh, and,

845
00:32:23,634 --> 00:32:26,619
Speaker 2: and it was the most incredible feeling as

846
00:32:26,639 --> 00:32:28,670
Speaker 2: you might imagine like, just be, finally,

847
00:32:28,710 --> 00:32:30,895
Speaker 2: like you could start removing all this

848
00:32:30,935 --> 00:32:33,688
Speaker 2: heavy gear yeah, it's got makeshift sauna

849
00:32:33,908 --> 00:32:35,072
Speaker 2: and minus 30 in it.

850
00:32:35,373 --> 00:32:36,416
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, it was.

851
00:32:36,705 --> 00:32:39,869
Speaker 2: It really was amazing how, how well this,

852
00:32:40,050 --> 00:32:40,592
Speaker 2: this worked.

853
00:32:41,415 --> 00:32:43,849
Speaker 2: And, uh, and, and, immediately we just

854
00:32:43,909 --> 00:32:46,876
Speaker 2: began boiling water, for, you know, melting

855
00:32:46,916 --> 00:32:49,728
Speaker 2: snow and, and, and we drank probably a

856
00:32:49,788 --> 00:32:51,671
Speaker 2: gallon of water, you know, right out of the

857
00:32:51,751 --> 00:32:53,214
Speaker 2: right, out of the right out of the bat, and

858
00:32:53,314 --> 00:32:56,439
Speaker 2: just ate a ton of food that that night.

859
00:33:03,265 --> 00:33:04,067
Speaker 2: And we opened the maps, uh, um, before

860
00:33:04,087 --> 00:33:04,990
Speaker 2: going to bed and just kind of looked at

861
00:33:05,030 --> 00:33:06,053
Speaker 2: everything to kind of see if we could

862
00:33:06,073 --> 00:33:07,477
Speaker 2: figure out where we were, and we had

863
00:33:07,517 --> 00:33:10,285
Speaker 2: thought that we were, um, uh, we thought

864
00:33:10,325 --> 00:33:13,070
Speaker 2: that we were downstream from the cabin's

865
00:33:13,130 --> 00:33:13,591
Speaker 2: location.

866
00:33:14,833 --> 00:33:17,197
Speaker 2: Um, so the following morning, day four now,

867
00:33:17,878 --> 00:33:21,791
Speaker 2: we both get up and, um, the first thing I

868
00:33:21,871 --> 00:33:24,997
Speaker 2: hear is Scott calls my name and I look over.

869
00:33:25,037 --> 00:33:27,730
Speaker 2: He's holding his, his foot up and his

870
00:33:27,790 --> 00:33:28,934
Speaker 2: entire foot is black.

871
00:33:29,295 --> 00:33:33,065
Speaker 2: That's so shocking, yeah, and um, and again

872
00:33:33,686 --> 00:33:36,774
Speaker 2: I mentioned earlier, you know he was saying

873
00:33:36,835 --> 00:33:37,937
Speaker 2: that his feet didn't hurt.

874
00:33:38,185 --> 00:33:41,792
Speaker 2: Well, he never took his muck locks off and

875
00:33:42,213 --> 00:33:44,537
Speaker 2: you know, uh, just because his feet weren't

876
00:33:44,577 --> 00:33:45,258
Speaker 2: bothering him.

877
00:33:45,559 --> 00:33:45,839
Speaker 1: Yeah.

878
00:33:46,105 --> 00:33:47,709
Speaker 2: And the problem is he built up so much

879
00:33:47,769 --> 00:33:50,415
Speaker 2: perspiration throughout because of the hike

880
00:33:50,855 --> 00:33:52,279
Speaker 2: and he left those on overnight.

881
00:33:52,365 --> 00:33:53,809
Speaker 2: It was essentially sleeping with, like

882
00:33:54,110 --> 00:33:56,677
Speaker 2: frozen socks on your feet right, Jesus,

883
00:33:56,705 --> 00:33:58,372
Speaker 2: these blocks of ice on your feet.

884
00:33:59,746 --> 00:34:01,911
Speaker 2: And the problem is now a two-man team is

885
00:34:01,971 --> 00:34:04,257
Speaker 2: cut down to a one-man team because he

886
00:34:04,357 --> 00:34:04,878
Speaker 2: cannot.

887
00:34:05,785 --> 00:34:09,917
Speaker 2: His foot at this point is still manageable.

888
00:34:10,925 --> 00:34:12,167
Speaker 2: He can still, you know.

889
00:34:12,568 --> 00:34:14,572
Speaker 2: In other words, the frostb, this, the

890
00:34:14,632 --> 00:34:16,234
Speaker 2: frostbite, wasn't severe enough that it

891
00:34:16,275 --> 00:34:18,338
Speaker 2: would that it would later need an

892
00:34:18,438 --> 00:34:19,060
Speaker 2: amputation.

893
00:34:20,026 --> 00:34:23,555
Speaker 2: Um, however, uh, if he does more damage to

894
00:34:23,655 --> 00:34:24,999
Speaker 2: it, then he's in big trouble.

895
00:34:25,259 --> 00:34:27,311
Speaker 2: Yeah, and doing more damage to it in that

896
00:34:27,351 --> 00:34:28,695
Speaker 2: environment it's really easy to do.

897
00:34:37,985 --> 00:34:38,827
Speaker 2: So I made the uh, I, I, we, we talked about

898
00:34:38,847 --> 00:34:39,689
Speaker 2: it, of course, and we were both pissed off

899
00:34:39,709 --> 00:34:40,611
Speaker 2: because it's like, you know, everything is

900
00:34:40,631 --> 00:34:42,215
Speaker 2: going wrong, Every, and we'd planned for

901
00:34:42,235 --> 00:34:44,246
Speaker 2: this trip, by the way, for for for two

902
00:34:44,326 --> 00:34:44,988
Speaker 2: years prior.

903
00:34:45,769 --> 00:34:50,296
Speaker 2: The owner of the cabin, uh, who is a kind

904
00:34:50,316 --> 00:34:53,307
Speaker 2: of a world renowned expert in wilderness

905
00:34:53,367 --> 00:34:54,852
Speaker 2: medicine he's got a bunch of books and

906
00:34:55,012 --> 00:34:55,754
Speaker 2: things like that out.

907
00:35:02,905 --> 00:35:04,167
Speaker 2: I mean, he trained us medically before

908
00:35:04,187 --> 00:35:05,109
Speaker 2: going in, Like we, really we, we, we had

909
00:35:05,129 --> 00:35:06,832
Speaker 2: all of the necessary skills, despite how

910
00:35:06,852 --> 00:35:08,655
Speaker 2: this whole thing sounds.

911
00:35:08,695 --> 00:35:10,939
Speaker 2: Um, so I go back to the lake, I get the

912
00:35:11,019 --> 00:35:13,249
Speaker 2: medical kit, I get additional supplies

913
00:35:13,329 --> 00:35:14,994
Speaker 2: cause I know he's probably going to need

914
00:35:15,014 --> 00:35:17,026
Speaker 2: them and I bring him back, so we couldn't

915
00:35:17,087 --> 00:35:19,411
Speaker 2: really search for the cabin.

916
00:35:22,015 --> 00:35:26,048
Speaker 2: The next day, which is now day five, I got

917
00:35:26,088 --> 00:35:28,373
Speaker 2: up early and I started hiking upstream

918
00:35:28,393 --> 00:35:30,197
Speaker 2: because again, I thought, we thought we

919
00:35:30,217 --> 00:35:31,019
Speaker 2: were downstream.

920
00:35:31,966 --> 00:35:35,411
Speaker 2: And I get up maybe about a mile upstream

921
00:35:36,133 --> 00:35:39,658
Speaker 2: and I noticed this spot where there are

922
00:35:39,698 --> 00:35:40,840
Speaker 2: these huge trees.

923
00:35:40,985 --> 00:35:42,870
Speaker 2: Most of the trees up there, because of the

924
00:35:42,911 --> 00:35:44,255
Speaker 2: environment, are really stunted.

925
00:35:44,295 --> 00:35:46,308
Speaker 2: They're small and I thought I'm going to

926
00:35:46,348 --> 00:35:48,771
Speaker 2: climb this tree and see if I can see

927
00:35:48,812 --> 00:35:49,193
Speaker 2: anything.

928
00:35:50,348 --> 00:35:51,452
Speaker 1: It doesn't matter where you are.

929
00:35:51,725 --> 00:35:53,151
Speaker 1: Every man needs to climb a tree.

930
00:35:53,412 --> 00:35:54,134
Speaker 1: I think it's going to make it.

931
00:35:54,265 --> 00:35:55,789
Speaker 1: It doesn't matter how old you are or where

932
00:35:55,809 --> 00:35:56,491
Speaker 1: you're on the world.

933
00:35:56,531 --> 00:35:57,955
Speaker 1: I'm gonna climb that fucking tree over

934
00:35:57,975 --> 00:35:59,086
Speaker 1: there I see a big tree.

935
00:35:59,106 --> 00:36:00,510
Speaker 2: It's like hell, yeah, that's what I'm gonna

936
00:36:00,530 --> 00:36:00,691
Speaker 2: do.

937
00:36:00,771 --> 00:36:04,081
Speaker 2: So no, the problem is like it's a.

938
00:36:04,222 --> 00:36:07,271
Speaker 2: It's a normal thing to do with with any

939
00:36:07,331 --> 00:36:09,598
Speaker 2: other species of tree and it's a normal

940
00:36:09,638 --> 00:36:12,045
Speaker 2: thing to do in normal temperatures.

941
00:36:12,306 --> 00:36:15,898
Speaker 2: But in that cold, climbing a spruce tree

942
00:36:16,159 --> 00:36:18,726
Speaker 2: first off, spruce trees are really scraggly

943
00:36:19,287 --> 00:36:21,912
Speaker 2: that the limbs on a spruce tree do not get

944
00:36:22,293 --> 00:36:25,339
Speaker 2: very big and small, so and they're, they're

945
00:36:25,425 --> 00:36:27,353
Speaker 2: prone to just snapping, especially in those

946
00:36:27,654 --> 00:36:28,176
Speaker 2: cold temps.

947
00:36:28,597 --> 00:36:30,625
Speaker 2: And I've got all this winter shit on right.

948
00:36:30,665 --> 00:36:31,287
Speaker 2: I mean, you don't need.

949
00:36:31,347 --> 00:36:33,534
Speaker 2: I look like a, I look like a Michelin man

950
00:36:34,416 --> 00:36:37,746
Speaker 2: and I and it's extremely dangerous Like if

951
00:36:37,826 --> 00:36:40,613
Speaker 2: I hurt myself, we're really going to be,

952
00:36:41,194 --> 00:36:44,673
Speaker 2: we'll get in trouble, but I'm like the hell

953
00:36:44,693 --> 00:36:44,854
Speaker 2: with it.

954
00:36:45,005 --> 00:36:46,030
Speaker 2: I, this is what we got to do.

955
00:36:46,125 --> 00:36:49,229
Speaker 2: So I climbed this tree and I looked and I I

956
00:36:49,349 --> 00:36:52,633
Speaker 2: don't see any sign of anything manmade, but

957
00:36:52,673 --> 00:36:55,476
Speaker 2: I do spot this small lake, uh, uh, that was

958
00:36:55,556 --> 00:36:58,680
Speaker 2: just maybe another quarter mile upstream

959
00:36:59,301 --> 00:37:01,008
Speaker 2: and I I thought no one ever mentioned

960
00:37:01,128 --> 00:37:03,935
Speaker 2: anything about a lake before and I thought

961
00:37:03,975 --> 00:37:05,788
Speaker 2: if I could find this lake on the map, then

962
00:37:05,908 --> 00:37:08,636
Speaker 2: surely we'll know exactly where we are.

963
00:37:09,157 --> 00:37:12,106
Speaker 2: Yeah, but, but I was worried because it was

964
00:37:12,246 --> 00:37:13,008
Speaker 2: really tiny.

965
00:37:13,088 --> 00:37:16,195
Speaker 2: I didn't know if our maps had enough detail

966
00:37:16,255 --> 00:37:19,649
Speaker 2: to have that on there, and uh, so I went

967
00:37:19,689 --> 00:37:20,450
Speaker 2: back to the tent.

968
00:37:20,791 --> 00:37:24,136
Speaker 2: I told scott, of course, yeah, no, no luck,

969
00:37:24,757 --> 00:37:26,300
Speaker 2: but I think I've got a clue.

970
00:37:26,826 --> 00:37:29,131
Speaker 2: And so we looked at the maps and, sure

971
00:37:29,191 --> 00:37:31,475
Speaker 2: enough, we there on the map is this little

972
00:37:31,536 --> 00:37:34,809
Speaker 2: tiny speck you know and I'm like, holy shit,

973
00:37:35,050 --> 00:37:36,233
Speaker 2: that's the lake.

974
00:37:36,554 --> 00:37:38,926
Speaker 2: And so we're upstream, not downstream.

975
00:37:39,828 --> 00:37:43,234
Speaker 2: And, um, that following morning, oh well,

976
00:37:43,555 --> 00:37:44,516
Speaker 2: uh, funny story.

977
00:37:44,576 --> 00:37:47,468
Speaker 2: So that night I'm, I'm in the tent.

978
00:37:47,909 --> 00:37:49,834
Speaker 2: I'm sorry, this is the first night that we

979
00:37:49,874 --> 00:37:50,796
Speaker 2: were in that tent.

980
00:37:50,836 --> 00:37:52,106
Speaker 2: I forgot to mention this.

981
00:37:53,028 --> 00:37:56,135
Speaker 2: Um and I, you know, we drank all this water,

982
00:37:56,155 --> 00:37:57,778
Speaker 2: ate all this food, and I'm in my sleeping

983
00:37:57,818 --> 00:38:00,072
Speaker 2: bag and I'm finally getting like a good

984
00:38:00,132 --> 00:38:03,490
Speaker 2: night rest and I wake up in the middle of

985
00:38:03,510 --> 00:38:03,751
Speaker 2: the night.

986
00:38:03,791 --> 00:38:04,795
Speaker 2: I've got to go to the bathroom.

987
00:38:06,205 --> 00:38:07,729
Speaker 2: Normally in those tents you'd have a

988
00:38:07,849 --> 00:38:10,396
Speaker 2: designated kind of a bottle or something

989
00:38:10,436 --> 00:38:11,809
Speaker 2: that you could use, so you don't have to go

990
00:38:11,849 --> 00:38:12,191
Speaker 2: outside.

991
00:38:12,211 --> 00:38:12,673
Speaker 2: Go outside.

992
00:38:12,693 --> 00:38:14,728
Speaker 2: Yeah, oh, we didn't, we didn't have one,

993
00:38:14,769 --> 00:38:18,816
Speaker 2: and I'm certainly not going to ruin one of

994
00:38:18,896 --> 00:38:20,038
Speaker 2: our good ones.

995
00:38:21,806 --> 00:38:23,671
Speaker 2: So I'm like, well, I'll just jump out and

996
00:38:24,333 --> 00:38:25,897
Speaker 2: I'll take care of business outside.

997
00:38:26,905 --> 00:38:29,211
Speaker 2: And so you've kind of got to psych yourself

998
00:38:29,331 --> 00:38:30,635
Speaker 2: up when you're in your sleeping bag,

999
00:38:30,655 --> 00:38:32,327
Speaker 2: because you're warm, right, and you know,

1000
00:38:32,387 --> 00:38:33,591
Speaker 2: when you jump out you're going to be

1001
00:38:33,691 --> 00:38:34,675
Speaker 2: freezing your ass off.

1002
00:38:35,265 --> 00:38:38,731
Speaker 2: And so I kind of psych myself up, I jump

1003
00:38:38,791 --> 00:38:41,697
Speaker 2: out of my sleeping bag, I grabbed the

1004
00:38:42,178 --> 00:38:45,771
Speaker 2: zipper of the of the tent and I go to pull

1005
00:38:45,791 --> 00:38:46,392
Speaker 2: it open and it is.

1006
00:38:46,653 --> 00:38:48,798
Speaker 2: It is welded shut with a bead of ice.

1007
00:38:49,485 --> 00:38:52,673
Speaker 2: Welded shut because you're breathing in

1008
00:38:52,713 --> 00:38:55,320
Speaker 2: this tent and all of this condensation it

1009
00:38:55,340 --> 00:38:57,906
Speaker 2: just hits ice and I'm pulling on this.

1010
00:38:58,106 --> 00:39:00,150
Speaker 2: I cannot, I can't get this.

1011
00:39:00,611 --> 00:39:02,855
Speaker 2: I'm like, maybe if I use a lighter, well

1012
00:39:02,916 --> 00:39:05,247
Speaker 2: now I'm almost hypothermic, you know, just

1013
00:39:05,267 --> 00:39:07,455
Speaker 2: with it a matter of minutes, I'm freezing

1014
00:39:07,736 --> 00:39:08,238
Speaker 2: so quick.

1015
00:39:09,061 --> 00:39:11,187
Speaker 2: So I finally end up getting this thing open

1016
00:39:11,307 --> 00:39:13,451
Speaker 2: and taking care of business, but I, you

1017
00:39:13,471 --> 00:39:15,435
Speaker 2: know I almost died of hypothermia just

1018
00:39:15,475 --> 00:39:17,999
Speaker 2: trying to, you know, answer nature's call

1019
00:39:18,300 --> 00:39:20,143
Speaker 2: so would you walk out saying it's just like

1020
00:39:20,204 --> 00:39:23,372
Speaker 2: I immediately regret this decision uh, no,

1021
00:39:23,432 --> 00:39:26,199
Speaker 2: because the relief of going, of having to

1022
00:39:26,260 --> 00:39:28,145
Speaker 2: go that bad, and then it was like, yeah,

1023
00:39:28,305 --> 00:39:31,830
Speaker 2: totally worth it, totally, yeah, yeah, um,

1024
00:39:32,171 --> 00:39:35,616
Speaker 2: so anyway that that following morning I

1025
00:39:35,656 --> 00:39:38,440
Speaker 2: awakened and started hiking downstream.

1026
00:39:38,900 --> 00:39:39,101
Speaker 1: Right.

1027
00:39:39,385 --> 00:39:41,909
Speaker 2: And went about a mile and I'm constantly

1028
00:39:41,989 --> 00:39:44,253
Speaker 2: looking, scanning the trees, to see if I

1029
00:39:44,273 --> 00:39:46,376
Speaker 2: didn't see anything unnatural, anything

1030
00:39:46,416 --> 00:39:48,219
Speaker 2: that didn't look, anything that looked

1031
00:39:48,299 --> 00:39:48,840
Speaker 2: manmade.

1032
00:39:49,965 --> 00:39:53,309
Speaker 2: And there was one spot that I came to where,

1033
00:39:53,329 --> 00:39:57,719
Speaker 2: yeah, about 40 yards into the trees and

1034
00:39:57,739 --> 00:39:59,931
Speaker 2: about 15 feet off the ground, there was a

1035
00:40:00,131 --> 00:40:03,902
Speaker 2: level line of snow, just level.

1036
00:40:04,911 --> 00:40:06,918
Speaker 2: And I thought, well, that, sure as hell,

1037
00:40:06,958 --> 00:40:07,199
Speaker 2: isn't it?

1038
00:40:07,370 --> 00:40:10,086
Speaker 2: There's nothing level straight and level in

1039
00:40:10,166 --> 00:40:10,790
Speaker 2: nature, right?

1040
00:40:10,890 --> 00:40:13,780
Speaker 2: I mean everybody's crooked and all kinds of

1041
00:40:13,820 --> 00:40:14,000
Speaker 2: things.

1042
00:40:14,931 --> 00:40:16,196
Speaker 2: So I'm like, well, I definitely need to

1043
00:40:16,216 --> 00:40:16,779
Speaker 2: check this out.

1044
00:40:16,850 --> 00:40:18,216
Speaker 2: So I hike into the trees.

1045
00:40:19,210 --> 00:40:21,894
Speaker 2: As I'm hiking up, I see peeking under the

1046
00:40:22,275 --> 00:40:25,038
Speaker 2: eave of this, this roof, I see this wall of

1047
00:40:25,138 --> 00:40:29,885
Speaker 2: logs and I mean this thing was so buried in

1048
00:40:29,945 --> 00:40:41,874
Speaker 2: the snow, it, and not even know it was

1049
00:40:41,894 --> 00:40:43,257
Speaker 2: there and, um, I walked up to, I had to

1050
00:40:43,277 --> 00:40:44,801
Speaker 2: kind of touch the wall to make sure I

1051
00:40:44,821 --> 00:40:45,402
Speaker 2: wasn't tripping, you know.

1052
00:40:45,422 --> 00:40:48,228
Speaker 2: So there and I, I, I go into the cabin very

1053
00:40:48,309 --> 00:40:50,996
Speaker 2: cautiously because, just given how

1054
00:40:51,116 --> 00:40:52,761
Speaker 2: everything had gone, you know, everywhere

1055
00:40:52,822 --> 00:40:56,231
Speaker 2: you go up there, you're constantly carrying

1056
00:40:56,251 --> 00:40:59,297
Speaker 2: a rifle, or I cause I don't think they had

1057
00:40:59,418 --> 00:41:02,263
Speaker 2: bear spray at that point in time, right,

1058
00:41:02,363 --> 00:41:04,114
Speaker 2: but you're, so you're constantly carrying a

1059
00:41:04,174 --> 00:41:06,412
Speaker 2: rifle because there's, you know, you're

1060
00:41:06,674 --> 00:41:08,827
Speaker 2: just outside of the polar bear capital of

1061
00:41:08,868 --> 00:41:10,574
Speaker 2: the world, and then there's loads of black

1062
00:41:10,614 --> 00:41:13,612
Speaker 2: bears and wolves and all kinds of all kinds

1063
00:41:13,672 --> 00:41:17,802
Speaker 2: of creatures that can potentially do harm,

1064
00:41:17,862 --> 00:41:18,848
Speaker 2: I guess, if they wanted to.

1065
00:41:18,814 --> 00:41:19,328
Speaker 2: So I thought, well, that can, uh,

1066
00:41:19,293 --> 00:41:19,765
Speaker 2: potentially do harm.

1067
00:41:19,731 --> 00:41:20,059
Speaker 1: I guess if they wanted to.

1068
00:41:20,025 --> 00:41:22,957
Speaker 2: Yeah, um, so I I've thought, well, you know,

1069
00:41:23,117 --> 00:41:25,142
Speaker 2: given how our luck has gone, if I I'm going

1070
00:41:25,162 --> 00:41:26,674
Speaker 2: to kick open this door and there's going to

1071
00:41:26,694 --> 00:41:28,659
Speaker 2: be a bear or something in there and it's

1072
00:41:28,679 --> 00:41:29,642
Speaker 2: going to send a chiller.

1073
00:41:30,170 --> 00:41:32,171
Speaker 2: And uh, so I, I opened the door, but

1074
00:41:32,271 --> 00:41:33,932
Speaker 2: luckily there was, there was nothing.

1075
00:41:34,813 --> 00:41:36,454
Speaker 2: Uh, and I, you know, I had this really

1076
00:41:36,934 --> 00:41:40,657
Speaker 2: powerful moment because this whole idea of

1077
00:41:40,797 --> 00:41:43,078
Speaker 2: living in a cabin like this I, you know, my

1078
00:41:43,118 --> 00:41:44,839
Speaker 2: whole life up to this point had been

1079
00:41:45,640 --> 00:41:49,022
Speaker 2: involved wrapped around the outdoors and um,

1080
00:41:49,922 --> 00:41:51,523
Speaker 2: I, this was something I dreamt of.

1081
00:41:51,783 --> 00:41:54,325
Speaker 2: I dreamt of it so much that I wrote a story

1082
00:41:54,365 --> 00:41:57,247
Speaker 2: about it when I was in, I think, the eighth

1083
00:41:57,307 --> 00:41:58,708
Speaker 2: grade or something like that about,

1084
00:41:58,808 --> 00:42:06,571
Speaker 2: literally about, about running away and

1085
00:42:06,591 --> 00:42:07,414
Speaker 2: living in a log cabin in Canada, like it

1086
00:42:07,434 --> 00:42:08,156
Speaker 2: was that, that it was that specific.

1087
00:42:08,176 --> 00:42:09,359
Speaker 2: And so I came to this realization, as I'm

1088
00:42:09,439 --> 00:42:11,224
Speaker 2: standing in this place, like, holy shit,

1089
00:42:11,264 --> 00:42:13,492
Speaker 2: like here I am, like this, this manifested

1090
00:42:13,512 --> 00:42:14,273
Speaker 2: like this, is the craziest thing in the

1091
00:42:14,293 --> 00:42:14,393
Speaker 2: world.

1092
00:42:14,413 --> 00:42:16,615
Speaker 2: And this, this manifested like this, is the

1093
00:42:16,675 --> 00:42:17,876
Speaker 2: craziest thing in the world.

1094
00:42:18,877 --> 00:42:21,839
Speaker 2: And uh, so I, I was had a little kind of my

1095
00:42:21,899 --> 00:42:25,423
Speaker 2: own little celebratory moment there, and uh,

1096
00:42:25,563 --> 00:42:28,205
Speaker 2: went back to the tent and by now it's it's

1097
00:42:28,245 --> 00:42:37,524
Speaker 2: starting to get dark already and um, you

1098
00:42:37,411 --> 00:42:38,497
Speaker 2: know, scott could hear me approaching and

1099
00:42:38,384 --> 00:42:38,699
Speaker 2: he called out.

1100
00:42:38,586 --> 00:42:38,871
Speaker 2: He said, hey, did you find it?

1101
00:42:38,758 --> 00:42:39,263
Speaker 2: And I could hardly catch my brother.

1102
00:42:39,263 --> 00:42:41,745
Speaker 2: In fact, I was very excited to tell him.

1103
00:42:41,786 --> 00:42:44,989
Speaker 2: So I was kind of trotting back, which was

1104
00:42:45,429 --> 00:42:47,653
Speaker 2: stupid because you're sucking in this ice,

1105
00:42:47,693 --> 00:42:48,094
Speaker 2: cold air.

1106
00:42:49,216 --> 00:42:52,903
Speaker 2: So I was very much winded and by the time I

1107
00:42:53,023 --> 00:42:54,732
Speaker 2: opened up the tent door I said, yeah, I

1108
00:42:54,912 --> 00:42:55,573
Speaker 2: found it.

1109
00:42:55,713 --> 00:42:58,558
Speaker 2: And by it, you know, and uh, by that point

1110
00:42:58,698 --> 00:43:01,342
Speaker 2: we'd become so comfortable with, uh, the

1111
00:43:01,463 --> 00:43:03,291
Speaker 2: system that we created there that we're

1112
00:43:03,311 --> 00:43:05,577
Speaker 2: like, well, there's no sense in trying to

1113
00:43:05,858 --> 00:43:08,152
Speaker 2: go there right now, so let's just stay

1114
00:43:08,192 --> 00:43:09,996
Speaker 2: another night in the tent and the tomorrow

1115
00:43:10,998 --> 00:43:13,383
Speaker 2: we'll we'll have, we'll have over there.

1116
00:43:13,463 --> 00:43:17,176
Speaker 2: So yeah, so it was six days um about our

1117
00:43:17,196 --> 00:43:17,637
Speaker 2: our one year adventure.

1118
00:43:17,657 --> 00:43:18,519
Speaker 2: The first, that's how the was six days um

1119
00:43:18,539 --> 00:43:20,363
Speaker 2: about our our one year adventure.

1120
00:43:21,145 --> 00:43:22,951
Speaker 2: The first, that's how the first six days

1121
00:43:23,071 --> 00:43:23,391
Speaker 2: went.

1122
00:43:23,772 --> 00:43:26,938
Speaker 2: Uh, so of a one of a year-long crazy

1123
00:43:27,018 --> 00:43:27,539
Speaker 2: adventure.

1124
00:43:27,659 --> 00:43:29,623
Speaker 2: So it was mental, mental.

1125
00:43:30,044 --> 00:43:31,893
Speaker 1: Got a lot to a lot more days to head over

1126
00:43:31,913 --> 00:43:32,053
Speaker 1: you.

1127
00:43:32,093 --> 00:43:35,741
Speaker 1: So you guys have found the cabin, um, I

1128
00:43:35,761 --> 00:43:38,909
Speaker 1: mean a year away from everything, away from

1129
00:43:39,069 --> 00:43:42,655
Speaker 1: everyone and life itself, if that makes

1130
00:43:42,675 --> 00:43:42,956
Speaker 1: sense.

1131
00:43:43,993 --> 00:43:45,499
Speaker 1: What did you guys do to keep yourselves

1132
00:43:45,559 --> 00:43:46,060
Speaker 1: entertained?

1133
00:43:47,030 --> 00:43:51,230
Speaker 2: Well, you know, I think one of the most

1134
00:43:51,350 --> 00:43:53,430
Speaker 2: important things if you're going into a

1135
00:43:53,470 --> 00:43:57,188
Speaker 2: place like this is you better have A, you

1136
00:43:57,209 --> 00:43:58,811
Speaker 2: better be pretty comfortable with your own

1137
00:43:58,832 --> 00:43:58,993
Speaker 2: solitude.

1138
00:43:59,013 --> 00:43:59,699
Speaker 2: You better have, uh, a, you better be

1139
00:43:59,719 --> 00:44:00,607
Speaker 2: pretty comfortable with your own solitude,

1140
00:44:00,648 --> 00:44:03,935
Speaker 2: your own, you better be pretty, you know,

1141
00:44:03,975 --> 00:44:06,461
Speaker 2: like, if you're a social butterfly, this

1142
00:44:06,561 --> 00:44:07,950
Speaker 2: might not be the place for you.

1143
00:44:08,932 --> 00:44:11,598
Speaker 2: Uh, you better have things to do, like just,

1144
00:44:12,280 --> 00:44:14,023
Speaker 2: whether it's building things, whether it's

1145
00:44:14,070 --> 00:44:15,413
Speaker 2: exploring places.

1146
00:44:16,175 --> 00:44:18,600
Speaker 2: Obviously, the work, just the work alone

1147
00:44:18,660 --> 00:44:20,851
Speaker 2: that you have to do, especially in winter,

1148
00:44:21,833 --> 00:44:24,298
Speaker 2: um, that takes up a good bit of time every

1149
00:44:24,358 --> 00:44:24,619
Speaker 2: day.

1150
00:44:24,719 --> 00:44:27,304
Speaker 2: You know, cutting firewood, getting water,

1151
00:44:27,490 --> 00:44:30,434
Speaker 2: all of those very basic things, that that

1152
00:44:30,734 --> 00:44:31,916
Speaker 2: takes up a good chunk of time.

1153
00:44:32,757 --> 00:44:38,504
Speaker 2: Um, so we, um, you know, we, we, we spent

1154
00:44:38,544 --> 00:44:41,829
Speaker 2: the first four months there, um, and the

1155
00:44:41,929 --> 00:44:44,273
Speaker 2: owner of the cabin flew in to bring us more

1156
00:44:44,333 --> 00:44:44,895
Speaker 2: supplies.

1157
00:44:45,376 --> 00:44:47,961
Speaker 2: Right, he was, uh, in shock, of course,

1158
00:44:48,022 --> 00:44:50,934
Speaker 2: when we told him what had taken place and,

1159
00:44:51,055 --> 00:44:53,299
Speaker 2: being a, being a physician, he was very

1160
00:44:53,420 --> 00:44:56,113
Speaker 2: curious to see what Scott's foot looked

1161
00:44:56,133 --> 00:44:56,374
Speaker 2: like.

1162
00:44:56,836 --> 00:44:58,805
Speaker 1: Oh, of, course rust bitten, wasn't it yeah?

1163
00:44:59,428 --> 00:45:00,892
Speaker 2: and you know, the interesting thing was,

1164
00:45:00,952 --> 00:45:02,416
Speaker 2: scott made the decision.

1165
00:45:02,516 --> 00:45:04,662
Speaker 2: He stayed in the in the cabin for maybe the

1166
00:45:04,922 --> 00:45:08,440
Speaker 2: the first week or so, uh, just to make sure

1167
00:45:08,480 --> 00:45:10,587
Speaker 2: that his he wasn't gonna hurt.

1168
00:45:10,627 --> 00:45:12,452
Speaker 2: He was worried about doing more damage to

1169
00:45:12,492 --> 00:45:12,813
Speaker 2: his foot.

1170
00:45:12,873 --> 00:45:14,257
Speaker 2: And then finally he said no, with this,

1171
00:45:14,297 --> 00:45:17,372
Speaker 2: like I didn't come up here just to be in a

1172
00:45:17,712 --> 00:45:19,715
Speaker 2: if he had just trapped in this box.

1173
00:45:20,276 --> 00:45:23,140
Speaker 2: So he started venturing out and, uh, he

1174
00:45:23,181 --> 00:45:25,204
Speaker 2: could do that because we had the safety of

1175
00:45:25,224 --> 00:45:25,624
Speaker 2: the cabin.

1176
00:45:26,065 --> 00:45:28,974
Speaker 2: Yeah, um, but when doc took a look at his

1177
00:45:29,115 --> 00:45:32,922
Speaker 2: foot, uh, he said, um, he said there's no

1178
00:45:32,962 --> 00:45:34,264
Speaker 2: way that you guys can stay.

1179
00:45:34,631 --> 00:45:38,017
Speaker 2: He's like we have to come out so that, so

1180
00:45:38,037 --> 00:45:40,642
Speaker 2: that we can get this foot taken care of.

1181
00:45:41,143 --> 00:45:43,894
Speaker 2: Um, he needed to have a skin graft on his.

1182
00:45:44,015 --> 00:45:45,979
Speaker 2: All of the color had really returned to his

1183
00:45:46,079 --> 00:45:48,271
Speaker 2: foot and it overall it looked pretty good,

1184
00:45:48,311 --> 00:45:52,420
Speaker 2: but his big toe was screwed is that what it

1185
00:45:52,481 --> 00:45:52,581
Speaker 2: is?

1186
00:45:52,641 --> 00:45:53,423
Speaker 1: is like frostbite?

1187
00:45:53,463 --> 00:45:53,663
Speaker 1: Is that?

1188
00:45:53,850 --> 00:45:54,832
Speaker 1: Is that just like cold?

1189
00:45:55,193 --> 00:45:56,215
Speaker 1: It's a cold burn.

1190
00:45:56,255 --> 00:45:56,837
Speaker 1: Is that what it's?

1191
00:45:56,997 --> 00:45:58,801
Speaker 2: kind of, yeah, I mean, you're essentially

1192
00:45:58,821 --> 00:46:02,577
Speaker 2: freezing the tissue, you know, freezing the

1193
00:46:02,818 --> 00:46:05,245
Speaker 2: the tissue and the nerves and uh, so, yeah,

1194
00:46:05,767 --> 00:46:09,012
Speaker 2: it's a burn, essentially his was his was

1195
00:46:09,112 --> 00:46:11,075
Speaker 2: pretty bad, right.

1196
00:46:11,195 --> 00:46:16,160
Speaker 2: Um, so we uh, we ended up uh having to come

1197
00:46:16,260 --> 00:46:19,724
Speaker 2: out for uh for two months and I almost

1198
00:46:19,844 --> 00:46:23,133
Speaker 2: wrapped that into the fact that it was all

1199
00:46:23,193 --> 00:46:26,561
Speaker 2: part of that year Um, because we came right

1200
00:46:26,601 --> 00:46:30,171
Speaker 2: back in June and uh, and of course now

1201
00:46:30,211 --> 00:46:32,155
Speaker 2: Scott's really got to be careful to make

1202
00:46:32,195 --> 00:46:33,900
Speaker 2: sure that he cause, you know, he's got a

1203
00:46:34,060 --> 00:46:37,456
Speaker 2: fresh uh skin graft on there that that had,

1204
00:46:37,476 --> 00:46:39,522
Speaker 2: you know we had to, we would have been back

1205
00:46:39,590 --> 00:46:41,354
Speaker 2: sooner, but we had to at least give it some

1206
00:46:41,434 --> 00:46:45,463
Speaker 2: time to take and to heal and and um, so

1207
00:46:45,563 --> 00:46:47,635
Speaker 2: when we came back now we're in the summer

1208
00:46:47,816 --> 00:46:51,968
Speaker 2: and uh, totally different world in the

1209
00:46:52,028 --> 00:46:53,952
Speaker 2: summer, you know, just bustling and full of

1210
00:46:54,032 --> 00:46:56,938
Speaker 2: life and sounds, and and, and one of the

1211
00:46:56,998 --> 00:46:59,423
Speaker 2: things that we do I'm I'm getting around to

1212
00:46:59,543 --> 00:47:01,393
Speaker 2: answering your question uh, one of the

1213
00:47:01,433 --> 00:47:04,379
Speaker 2: things that we decided to do, uh, just

1214
00:47:04,419 --> 00:47:07,050
Speaker 2: because we had time and it sounded like a

1215
00:47:07,130 --> 00:47:09,274
Speaker 2: good idea, was to build another log cabin

1216
00:47:10,056 --> 00:47:14,564
Speaker 2: so human nature expand, you know, yeah,

1217
00:47:14,584 --> 00:47:15,973
Speaker 2: right it's what we do as humans.

1218
00:47:16,013 --> 00:47:17,517
Speaker 2: right like oh let's, you can't do it, oh

1219
00:47:17,557 --> 00:47:18,439
Speaker 2: well, let's eat that.

1220
00:47:18,860 --> 00:47:19,883
Speaker 1: This is no rain.

1221
00:47:20,050 --> 00:47:21,135
Speaker 2: Randall's over here.

1222
00:47:21,175 --> 00:47:26,521
Speaker 2: Yeah, so we ended up we built this cabin in

1223
00:47:26,561 --> 00:47:30,049
Speaker 2: that same spot where I climbed that tree.

1224
00:47:30,490 --> 00:47:30,630
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1225
00:47:30,710 --> 00:47:34,153
Speaker 2: Because it was just the idyllic spot and

1226
00:47:34,173 --> 00:47:36,354
Speaker 2: the beauty of this cabin, even though we

1227
00:47:36,534 --> 00:47:37,635
Speaker 2: hadn't considered this.

1228
00:47:38,496 --> 00:47:44,980
Speaker 2: It really became important because if, over

1229
00:47:45,000 --> 00:47:47,102
Speaker 2: the course of time, you know, maybe

1230
00:47:47,242 --> 00:47:49,684
Speaker 2: tensions start getting a little raw, you

1231
00:47:49,704 --> 00:47:50,465
Speaker 2: know, maybe you stay.

1232
00:47:50,705 --> 00:47:53,287
Speaker 2: There's a great saying by an outdoor author.

1233
00:47:53,307 --> 00:47:59,732
Speaker 2: His name is Calvin Rutstrom, and he said

1234
00:47:59,752 --> 00:48:00,616
Speaker 2: you know, when he's talking about spending

1235
00:48:00,636 --> 00:48:01,700
Speaker 2: a long period of time in the wilderness or

1236
00:48:01,720 --> 00:48:02,885
Speaker 2: somebody else, he said how do you tell

1237
00:48:02,905 --> 00:48:04,731
Speaker 2: someone pardon me, how do you tell someone

1238
00:48:05,012 --> 00:48:07,036
Speaker 2: that you hate their guts just by the way

1239
00:48:07,076 --> 00:48:08,279
Speaker 2: they hold their fork?

1240
00:48:08,940 --> 00:48:11,032
Speaker 2: And it can come down to some little thing

1241
00:48:11,092 --> 00:48:11,433
Speaker 2: like that.

1242
00:48:11,493 --> 00:48:12,657
Speaker 2: Just that just annoys you.

1243
00:48:12,737 --> 00:48:15,634
Speaker 2: So the beauty of this other cabin was, if

1244
00:48:16,416 --> 00:48:18,805
Speaker 2: tensions got a little tight, you would say

1245
00:48:18,825 --> 00:48:20,230
Speaker 2: you know, I think I'm going to go spend

1246
00:48:20,330 --> 00:48:22,257
Speaker 2: time at that other, I think I'm going to

1247
00:48:22,277 --> 00:48:23,935
Speaker 2: spend time we call it the Paradise Creek

1248
00:48:23,976 --> 00:48:24,116
Speaker 2: camp.

1249
00:48:24,271 --> 00:48:25,524
Speaker 2: I think I'm going to go spend time up at

1250
00:48:25,626 --> 00:48:27,616
Speaker 2: Paradise Creek and you'd go spend, you know,

1251
00:48:27,716 --> 00:48:30,133
Speaker 2: five days up there, and then you get so

1252
00:48:30,213 --> 00:48:32,138
Speaker 2: bored with your own company and desperate

1253
00:48:32,158 --> 00:48:33,651
Speaker 2: to talk to somebody else that you'd come

1254
00:48:33,691 --> 00:48:35,273
Speaker 2: back and you'd be thrilled to see each

1255
00:48:35,313 --> 00:48:35,914
Speaker 2: other again, you know.

1256
00:48:35,934 --> 00:48:38,539
Speaker 2: So it just really kind of worked out really

1257
00:48:38,619 --> 00:48:39,761
Speaker 2: well in that regard.

1258
00:48:39,781 --> 00:48:42,645
Speaker 1: yeah and you mentioned as well, you had to

1259
00:48:42,826 --> 00:48:45,811
Speaker 1: um kind of forage, well, hunt for your own

1260
00:48:45,831 --> 00:48:47,094
Speaker 1: like kind of meat and stuff like that.

1261
00:48:47,135 --> 00:48:47,596
Speaker 1: How did that?

1262
00:48:47,656 --> 00:48:49,381
Speaker 1: I mean you used a mushy go, was that right?

1263
00:48:49,711 --> 00:48:51,798
Speaker 2: yeah, yeah, so you know most of the game

1264
00:48:51,818 --> 00:48:53,062
Speaker 2: that we acquired.

1265
00:48:53,483 --> 00:48:56,733
Speaker 2: Uh, there was a lot of fish, obviously, um,

1266
00:48:57,254 --> 00:48:59,939
Speaker 2: and then it was a lot of small games, so,

1267
00:48:59,959 --> 00:49:02,551
Speaker 2: so, like snowshoe hares, uh, there's a type

1268
00:49:02,591 --> 00:49:05,417
Speaker 2: of grouse up there called a ptarmigan uh,

1269
00:49:05,477 --> 00:49:06,861
Speaker 2: which is delicious, by the way.

1270
00:49:06,901 --> 00:49:09,793
Speaker 2: We, we, um, we enjoyed that quite a bit.

1271
00:49:10,214 --> 00:49:13,059
Speaker 2: The the big goal was a moose and finally,

1272
00:49:13,340 --> 00:49:17,875
Speaker 2: in, uh, late August, early September, uh,

1273
00:49:17,935 --> 00:49:20,802
Speaker 2: we managed to uh to shoot a moose for

1274
00:49:20,842 --> 00:49:26,180
Speaker 2: winter meat, and that was really a hell of

1275
00:49:26,221 --> 00:49:30,939
Speaker 2: an experience, yeah, just in terms of the

1276
00:49:30,999 --> 00:49:36,185
Speaker 2: amount of work that it takes to quarter and

1277
00:49:36,245 --> 00:49:40,316
Speaker 2: to butcher and to transport, like just the

1278
00:49:40,336 --> 00:49:43,062
Speaker 2: hide, the hide alone, for example, when it

1279
00:49:43,123 --> 00:49:45,238
Speaker 2: was, when it was wet, when, after it had

1280
00:49:45,298 --> 00:49:47,727
Speaker 2: been taken off of this animal, I'm guessing

1281
00:49:47,788 --> 00:49:49,313
Speaker 2: it probably weighed about 100 pounds.

1282
00:49:49,514 --> 00:49:52,423
Speaker 2: I mean, it was ridiculous, everything in

1283
00:49:52,463 --> 00:49:52,624
Speaker 2: this.

1284
00:49:53,386 --> 00:49:56,135
Speaker 2: I'd never, I'd never even seen a moose, uh,

1285
00:49:56,175 --> 00:49:58,883
Speaker 2: all right, I'd seen one, uh in the wild,

1286
00:49:59,325 --> 00:50:01,010
Speaker 2: but I've certainly never been this close,

1287
00:50:01,130 --> 00:50:04,697
Speaker 2: and so everything on this animal is huge,

1288
00:50:04,978 --> 00:50:07,102
Speaker 2: it's massive, they're big basses.

1289
00:50:07,182 --> 00:50:09,274
Speaker 1: I didn't realize how big they were until I

1290
00:50:09,314 --> 00:50:11,684
Speaker 1: saw on, like on my discovery channel.

1291
00:50:11,704 --> 00:50:13,069
Speaker 2: Obviously you'd seen I'm like holy shit

1292
00:50:13,790 --> 00:50:17,414
Speaker 2: yeah they're staggeringly huge and powerful

1293
00:50:17,494 --> 00:50:20,878
Speaker 2: as hell, and what's so amazing is trying to

1294
00:50:20,918 --> 00:50:22,940
Speaker 2: imagine being one of those creatures with

1295
00:50:22,960 --> 00:50:24,041
Speaker 2: these giant antlers.

1296
00:50:25,243 --> 00:50:28,406
Speaker 2: How they navigate through that forest is

1297
00:50:28,606 --> 00:50:32,251
Speaker 2: beyond me, and they can do it Like you'll

1298
00:50:32,292 --> 00:50:34,816
Speaker 2: see one standing on the edge of a river and

1299
00:50:34,856 --> 00:50:36,720
Speaker 2: then it will step into the trees and the

1300
00:50:36,760 --> 00:50:40,573
Speaker 2: trees just kind of and you don't they just

1301
00:50:40,613 --> 00:50:43,936
Speaker 2: kind of fold by it and it just disappears.

1302
00:50:44,471 --> 00:50:46,780
Speaker 2: It's amazing how those things survive up

1303
00:50:46,800 --> 00:50:46,961
Speaker 2: there.

1304
00:50:47,061 --> 00:50:48,326
Speaker 2: I'll never know how did you do it?

1305
00:50:49,374 --> 00:50:51,061
Speaker 1: Did you shoot it or did you do the old

1306
00:50:51,082 --> 00:50:52,975
Speaker 1: school tactics by spearing it like a kid

1307
00:50:52,995 --> 00:50:53,096
Speaker 1: man?

1308
00:50:53,116 --> 00:50:53,678
Speaker 2: We shot it with.

1309
00:50:55,135 --> 00:50:58,779
Speaker 2: We had rifles again for bear protection.

1310
00:50:59,450 --> 00:51:00,818
Speaker 2: So, yeah, we had rifles um again for for

1311
00:51:00,838 --> 00:51:01,139
Speaker 2: bear protection.

1312
00:51:01,160 --> 00:51:02,165
Speaker 2: Uh, so, uh, yeah, I shot up and shot it

1313
00:51:02,185 --> 00:51:03,050
Speaker 2: with a rifle.

1314
00:51:03,490 --> 00:51:04,575
Speaker 1: God, how many times do you have to shoot

1315
00:51:04,595 --> 00:51:04,917
Speaker 1: that thing?

1316
00:51:05,591 --> 00:51:07,638
Speaker 2: Uh, you know, it was one shot to bring it

1317
00:51:07,658 --> 00:51:14,039
Speaker 2: down and um, when we uh, so one shot

1318
00:51:14,420 --> 00:51:16,303
Speaker 2: brought it down right on the bank of the

1319
00:51:16,403 --> 00:51:18,555
Speaker 2: river, just upstream from where it was.

1320
00:51:18,610 --> 00:51:20,893
Speaker 2: So it was like the greatest blessing,

1321
00:51:20,913 --> 00:51:22,678
Speaker 2: because you know, often you'll shoot one of

1322
00:51:22,698 --> 00:51:25,073
Speaker 2: those and it'll run off into the years.

1323
00:51:25,113 --> 00:51:26,459
Speaker 2: And then you got to track it, and then you

1324
00:51:26,760 --> 00:51:28,528
Speaker 2: and I certainly don't want something

1325
00:51:28,648 --> 00:51:30,773
Speaker 2: suffering, so I was thrilled when that

1326
00:51:30,813 --> 00:51:31,414
Speaker 2: thing fell.

1327
00:51:32,175 --> 00:51:36,082
Speaker 2: When we got to it, though, um, it appeared

1328
00:51:36,122 --> 00:51:38,366
Speaker 2: to be dead, but then it, it sat, kind of

1329
00:51:38,466 --> 00:51:42,435
Speaker 2: sat up, oh gee, and uh, so I shot it again,

1330
00:51:42,856 --> 00:51:45,642
Speaker 2: not really knowing a I again, I don't want

1331
00:51:45,662 --> 00:51:49,958
Speaker 2: this thing suffering, um and B, um, it's a

1332
00:51:50,019 --> 00:51:50,741
Speaker 2: massive animal.

1333
00:51:50,850 --> 00:51:52,758
Speaker 2: I just want to, I want to be done with it,

1334
00:51:52,810 --> 00:51:54,718
Speaker 2: I want to dispatch as quickly as possible.

1335
00:51:55,231 --> 00:51:58,140
Speaker 2: So I shot it again and you know there's

1336
00:51:58,200 --> 00:52:01,170
Speaker 2: those kind of nerves that kick in right

1337
00:52:01,531 --> 00:52:03,555
Speaker 2: when so the death throws, I guess.

1338
00:52:03,915 --> 00:52:06,280
Speaker 2: And yeah, this thing's hind leg started

1339
00:52:06,821 --> 00:52:08,832
Speaker 2: started kicking and I thought it was going

1340
00:52:08,852 --> 00:52:10,857
Speaker 2: to kick itself into the river.

1341
00:52:11,338 --> 00:52:12,942
Speaker 2: Oh, you're really worried about that,

1342
00:52:13,022 --> 00:52:14,452
Speaker 2: because there'd be no way in how we could

1343
00:52:14,472 --> 00:52:15,053
Speaker 2: drag it out.

1344
00:52:15,273 --> 00:52:19,400
Speaker 2: And uh, um, but luckily, uh it, it was over

1345
00:52:19,420 --> 00:52:23,534
Speaker 2: very quickly and I I feel like we showed uh

1346
00:52:23,675 --> 00:52:26,203
Speaker 2: as much respect to that animal as we could.

1347
00:52:26,404 --> 00:52:28,270
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah I think it's just when something

1348
00:52:28,430 --> 00:52:29,835
Speaker 1: that big, when you shoot it once, I was

1349
00:52:29,875 --> 00:52:31,259
Speaker 1: half expecting it just to like kind of

1350
00:52:31,319 --> 00:52:32,751
Speaker 1: bounce off and look at you going.

1351
00:52:33,092 --> 00:52:34,694
Speaker 1: What are you doing, man?

1352
00:52:35,275 --> 00:52:39,701
Speaker 2: come at me bro, bro you know exactly,

1353
00:52:40,142 --> 00:52:43,753
Speaker 2: exactly no he, he, he, uh, he, he went down

1354
00:52:43,974 --> 00:52:48,518
Speaker 2: and uh and um, our, our first meal, uh,

1355
00:52:48,691 --> 00:52:49,856
Speaker 2: that night was we.

1356
00:52:50,331 --> 00:52:53,335
Speaker 2: We custom cut uh a piece of meat that fit

1357
00:52:53,435 --> 00:52:56,814
Speaker 2: our largest pan and we just gorged on this

1358
00:52:56,855 --> 00:52:58,679
Speaker 2: this because we hadn't up to that point.

1359
00:52:58,719 --> 00:53:00,771
Speaker 2: We, you know, we'd been there since june

1360
00:53:00,811 --> 00:53:03,517
Speaker 2: it's now september we hadn't had fresh meat

1361
00:53:03,758 --> 00:53:07,907
Speaker 2: and so, yeah, so, uh, we, yeah, we, we

1362
00:53:08,068 --> 00:53:11,112
Speaker 2: definitely gorged on uh moose meat and and

1363
00:53:11,152 --> 00:53:14,076
Speaker 2: just a pro tip for anyone out there, okay,

1364
00:53:14,096 --> 00:53:17,900
Speaker 2: you'll find yourself in this position Move

1365
00:53:17,920 --> 00:53:21,524
Speaker 2: speed is extremely high in protein and will

1366
00:53:21,684 --> 00:53:23,927
Speaker 2: give you the most horrendous gas.

1367
00:53:25,111 --> 00:53:30,518
Speaker 2: I mean, the gas coming from it was so bad

1368
00:53:30,678 --> 00:53:32,901
Speaker 2: and just funky, smelling.

1369
00:53:33,001 --> 00:53:35,544
Speaker 2: It was awful, but we didn't care.

1370
00:53:35,604 --> 00:53:36,345
Speaker 2: We had fresh meat.

1371
00:53:36,425 --> 00:53:37,899
Speaker 1: I keep talking Just yeah, nobody's going to

1372
00:53:37,856 --> 00:53:38,072
Speaker 1: walk in.

1373
00:53:38,029 --> 00:53:38,237
Speaker 1: You know what I mean?

1374
00:53:38,194 --> 00:53:38,531
Speaker 1: It's not going to be impolite, yeah, but we

1375
00:53:38,487 --> 00:53:38,645
Speaker 1: didn't care.

1376
00:53:38,601 --> 00:53:38,767
Speaker 1: We had, we had fresh meat.

1377
00:53:38,724 --> 00:53:39,324
Speaker 1: So we were just yeah, nobody's gonna walk

1378
00:53:39,280 --> 00:53:39,320
Speaker 1: in.

1379
00:53:39,277 --> 00:53:39,694
Speaker 1: You know what I mean?

1380
00:53:39,714 --> 00:53:41,538
Speaker 2: and he's like it's not gonna be impolite.

1381
00:53:41,758 --> 00:53:44,063
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's like walking into a wall of

1382
00:53:44,190 --> 00:53:45,974
Speaker 1: smell as soon as you open the cabin door.

1383
00:53:46,875 --> 00:53:50,422
Speaker 1: Jesus, you know, like I'm so see, so see,

1384
00:53:50,663 --> 00:53:52,595
Speaker 1: you did the year, you've coming up to the

1385
00:53:52,635 --> 00:53:53,780
Speaker 1: year, sort of thing, you know.

1386
00:53:53,800 --> 00:53:55,888
Speaker 1: I mean, what was it like leaving after

1387
00:53:55,969 --> 00:53:57,392
Speaker 1: spending all that time there?

1388
00:53:57,412 --> 00:53:58,735
Speaker 1: Yeah, you had a little gap in between, but

1389
00:53:59,396 --> 00:54:01,801
Speaker 1: I mean, then you had a long time thereafter,

1390
00:54:01,821 --> 00:54:02,102
Speaker 1: didn't you?

1391
00:54:02,122 --> 00:54:03,044
Speaker 1: You were there for the longest time.

1392
00:54:03,130 --> 00:54:04,170
Speaker 1: I mean, what was it like leaving?

1393
00:54:05,431 --> 00:54:05,951
Speaker 2: Leaving is.

1394
00:54:06,151 --> 00:54:10,394
Speaker 2: You know, I've since learned because after

1395
00:54:10,434 --> 00:54:12,515
Speaker 2: doing this, I just became fascinated with

1396
00:54:12,835 --> 00:54:15,297
Speaker 2: similar stories of, like exploration, or

1397
00:54:15,377 --> 00:54:17,978
Speaker 2: people who have gone on extended trips,

1398
00:54:17,998 --> 00:54:19,719
Speaker 2: exploration, or people who have gone on

1399
00:54:19,739 --> 00:54:23,522
Speaker 2: extended trips, um, and there is a uh, um,

1400
00:54:23,702 --> 00:54:25,723
Speaker 2: it's, you know, right, when you get home,

1401
00:54:25,743 --> 00:54:27,644
Speaker 2: for example, there's tremendous fanfare,

1402
00:54:27,704 --> 00:54:29,205
Speaker 2: everybody wants to see you, everyone's

1403
00:54:29,245 --> 00:54:30,846
Speaker 2: excited, they all want to hear about your

1404
00:54:30,886 --> 00:54:31,287
Speaker 2: stories.

1405
00:54:31,347 --> 00:54:34,791
Speaker 2: But pretty soon that shit goes away and and

1406
00:54:35,131 --> 00:54:36,655
Speaker 2: you know, anytime you say, you know, when I

1407
00:54:36,695 --> 00:54:38,719
Speaker 2: was at the cabin and people roll their eyes,

1408
00:54:38,779 --> 00:54:40,343
Speaker 2: you know it's like, okay, I've heard this

1409
00:54:40,423 --> 00:54:40,784
Speaker 2: before.

1410
00:54:41,470 --> 00:54:45,078
Speaker 2: And and so you go through this weird, uh,

1411
00:54:45,218 --> 00:54:47,162
Speaker 2: almost a depression where it's like what,

1412
00:54:47,342 --> 00:54:48,144
Speaker 2: what do I do now?

1413
00:54:48,310 --> 00:54:50,158
Speaker 2: Like, well, you know, like what the hell?

1414
00:54:50,250 --> 00:54:54,100
Speaker 2: So, um, immediately coming out, there's the

1415
00:54:54,200 --> 00:54:56,893
Speaker 2: shock of it, right, the, the, the noise and

1416
00:54:56,913 --> 00:54:59,860
Speaker 2: the and the busyness and um.

1417
00:55:00,081 --> 00:55:03,035
Speaker 2: But then there's this long period of um,

1418
00:55:03,596 --> 00:55:07,105
Speaker 2: after all of the kind of celebratory stuff,

1419
00:55:07,125 --> 00:55:10,193
Speaker 2: and there there's it's difficult that the

1420
00:55:10,674 --> 00:55:12,098
Speaker 2: some of these stories that I've read of

1421
00:55:12,239 --> 00:55:14,552
Speaker 2: other people that have done this, it's a

1422
00:55:14,612 --> 00:55:15,373
Speaker 2: common theme.

1423
00:55:15,634 --> 00:55:17,438
Speaker 2: It's like, it's like almost something that

1424
00:55:17,478 --> 00:55:21,190
Speaker 2: you have to prepare yourself for, um,

1425
00:55:22,112 --> 00:55:24,875
Speaker 2: because if you don't it, it hits you and

1426
00:55:24,956 --> 00:55:27,098
Speaker 2: you do find yourself getting depressed,

1427
00:55:27,118 --> 00:55:28,721
Speaker 2: kind of going to a dark place.

1428
00:55:28,821 --> 00:55:32,045
Speaker 2: You know cause you're, you're, yeah, you

1429
00:55:32,145 --> 00:55:34,412
Speaker 2: miss it yet you don't want to go through,

1430
00:55:34,432 --> 00:55:35,474
Speaker 2: you don't want to relive it.

1431
00:55:35,514 --> 00:55:37,296
Speaker 2: But it's a, it's just weird, it's a, it's a

1432
00:55:37,356 --> 00:55:41,523
Speaker 2: very like I said, either going in or coming

1433
00:55:41,683 --> 00:55:41,803
Speaker 2: out.

1434
00:55:41,943 --> 00:55:43,851
Speaker 2: you have to acclimatize, you have to almost

1435
00:55:43,932 --> 00:55:49,258
Speaker 2: get used to the norm again and luckily for

1436
00:55:49,359 --> 00:55:54,297
Speaker 2: us too luckily, this was before the age of

1437
00:55:54,337 --> 00:55:55,360
Speaker 2: the internet, right?

1438
00:55:56,141 --> 00:55:57,090
Speaker 2: So you know cause.

1439
00:55:57,058 --> 00:55:58,238
Speaker 2: I mean how had we gone up now?

1440
00:55:58,206 --> 00:55:59,436
Speaker 2: You know we'd be on social media and blog

1441
00:55:59,404 --> 00:55:59,689
Speaker 2: and whatever the hell.

1442
00:55:59,658 --> 00:56:00,114
Speaker 2: So you know, because I mean how had we gone

1443
00:56:00,082 --> 00:56:00,642
Speaker 2: up now, you know we'd be on social media

1444
00:56:00,682 --> 00:56:02,745
Speaker 2: and blog and whatever the hell you know,

1445
00:56:02,805 --> 00:56:05,470
Speaker 2: doing live podcasts from the cabin, and I

1446
00:56:05,490 --> 00:56:07,073
Speaker 2: think it would take away from from the

1447
00:56:07,133 --> 00:56:08,134
Speaker 2: experience.

1448
00:56:09,076 --> 00:56:13,304
Speaker 2: So luckily, um, so it was a slower time,

1449
00:56:13,344 --> 00:56:15,133
Speaker 2: I'll put it that way you know what I mean.

1450
00:56:15,173 --> 00:56:18,940
Speaker 2: Like simpler time yeah, much more and um uh,

1451
00:56:19,081 --> 00:56:20,744
Speaker 2: so that was a, that was a good thing.

1452
00:56:21,011 --> 00:56:23,498
Speaker 2: I think it would be really hard to do this

1453
00:56:23,718 --> 00:56:27,308
Speaker 2: now, you know, just given how addicted we

1454
00:56:27,408 --> 00:56:29,994
Speaker 2: are and plugged in we are to all the

1455
00:56:30,034 --> 00:56:32,199
Speaker 2: citizen, all this stuff did you ever?

1456
00:56:32,319 --> 00:56:34,424
Speaker 1: did you ever go back or did you ever want

1457
00:56:34,450 --> 00:56:34,972
Speaker 1: to go back?

1458
00:56:34,992 --> 00:56:37,639
Speaker 2: yeah, you did go, uh, scott and I both went

1459
00:56:37,659 --> 00:56:39,384
Speaker 2: back twice and then I made.

1460
00:56:40,387 --> 00:56:42,071
Speaker 2: I made a few other trips.

1461
00:56:42,251 --> 00:56:46,879
Speaker 2: Our last trip, uh was in 2014 oh, pretty

1462
00:56:46,899 --> 00:56:47,440
Speaker 2: recent then.

1463
00:56:47,860 --> 00:56:50,725
Speaker 2: Yeah, and the cabins both cabins were

1464
00:56:50,770 --> 00:56:54,876
Speaker 2: burned down in burnt down in 2007 due to a

1465
00:56:54,936 --> 00:56:55,557
Speaker 2: forest fire.

1466
00:56:55,817 --> 00:56:56,858
Speaker 1: That reduced the area.

1467
00:56:57,779 --> 00:57:02,165
Speaker 2: So it was this really kind of tragic news

1468
00:57:02,246 --> 00:57:05,197
Speaker 2: to get, but I mean, that is what happens in

1469
00:57:05,217 --> 00:57:05,819
Speaker 2: that country.

1470
00:57:06,200 --> 00:57:10,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, so we went back in 2014 to just, I

1471
00:57:10,760 --> 00:57:14,037
Speaker 2: guess, as our own, to get some closure, I

1472
00:57:14,077 --> 00:57:18,979
Speaker 2: guess, on it, and so we flew upstream about

1473
00:57:18,999 --> 00:57:21,986
Speaker 2: 120 miles and canoed down to where the

1474
00:57:22,046 --> 00:57:23,008
Speaker 2: cabins were located.

1475
00:57:23,469 --> 00:57:26,938
Speaker 2: Oh, wow, and uh um a.

1476
00:57:27,059 --> 00:57:30,115
Speaker 2: We're not 19 anymore, you know, I was in my

1477
00:57:30,235 --> 00:57:31,580
Speaker 2: late forties at the time.

1478
00:57:32,170 --> 00:57:35,517
Speaker 2: So much from a physical standpoint.

1479
00:57:35,677 --> 00:57:39,931
Speaker 2: Holy cow, this is really hard, and then

1480
00:57:39,971 --> 00:57:41,678
Speaker 2: you've got the emotional toll of it.

1481
00:57:43,154 --> 00:57:45,141
Speaker 2: It was a hard, difficult trip.

1482
00:57:45,450 --> 00:57:47,936
Speaker 2: I mean, the fire was it?

1483
00:57:48,016 --> 00:57:51,744
Speaker 2: Just turned both those places into minerals.

1484
00:57:51,910 --> 00:57:54,159
Speaker 2: I mean it just it was nuts and laughs.

1485
00:57:54,891 --> 00:57:56,136
Speaker 2: It would have been impressive to see,

1486
00:57:56,176 --> 00:57:56,718
Speaker 2: though.

1487
00:57:56,758 --> 00:57:59,710
Speaker 2: You know, we we stored a lot of ammunition,

1488
00:58:00,111 --> 00:58:02,436
Speaker 2: a lot of white gas and fuel, and all those

1489
00:58:02,457 --> 00:58:04,341
Speaker 2: things were stored at the guy.

1490
00:58:04,381 --> 00:58:06,215
Speaker 1: So I bet it was an impressive show, but I

1491
00:58:06,235 --> 00:58:08,264
Speaker 1: bet I would have like a bitch, since I've

1492
00:58:08,304 --> 00:58:08,746
Speaker 1: been that way.

1493
00:58:08,787 --> 00:58:11,136
Speaker 2: It's like a fireball going off I was hoping

1494
00:58:11,176 --> 00:58:12,963
Speaker 2: that the I was hoping that the outhouse

1495
00:58:13,004 --> 00:58:15,270
Speaker 2: would would burn like an eternal flame, you

1496
00:58:15,310 --> 00:58:17,251
Speaker 2: know, like, just like, just like an oil.

1497
00:58:17,291 --> 00:58:21,413
Speaker 1: Well, you, know the methane that was in it?

1498
00:58:21,453 --> 00:58:24,994
Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly, probably, but that wasn't

1499
00:58:25,034 --> 00:58:25,454
Speaker 1: the case.

1500
00:58:26,135 --> 00:58:29,176
Speaker 1: So you've wrote a book we've mentioned it

1501
00:58:29,216 --> 00:58:31,837
Speaker 1: before, paradise Creek which kind of

1502
00:58:32,377 --> 00:58:33,858
Speaker 1: details it all, really, to be fair, the

1503
00:58:33,878 --> 00:58:35,719
Speaker 1: adventure of your first time there, which

1504
00:58:35,859 --> 00:58:37,519
Speaker 1: is, if you listen to this guys, it's a

1505
00:58:37,559 --> 00:58:39,420
Speaker 1: great, great book to listen to I mean

1506
00:58:39,440 --> 00:58:42,241
Speaker 1: listen to it to read, sorry and it's an

1507
00:58:42,301 --> 00:58:43,582
Speaker 1: impressive any sort of like kind of

1508
00:58:43,642 --> 00:58:45,202
Speaker 1: follow-ups from it, or is it?

1509
00:58:45,562 --> 00:58:47,883
Speaker 2: You know I well, I'll throw this disclaimer

1510
00:58:47,963 --> 00:58:50,464
Speaker 2: out I wrote that book shortly after I got

1511
00:58:50,484 --> 00:58:54,566
Speaker 2: back from that experience, so I was like

1512
00:58:54,626 --> 00:58:55,647
Speaker 2: 20-something.

1513
00:58:56,387 --> 00:58:58,668
Speaker 2: So to anybody interested in reading, please

1514
00:58:58,708 --> 00:59:01,889
Speaker 2: keep that in mind, this is a, you know it's.

1515
00:59:03,570 --> 00:59:04,754
Speaker 2: It's not a literary masterpiece, but the

1516
00:59:04,794 --> 00:59:07,995
Speaker 2: story is very solid and and it does, it

1517
00:59:08,035 --> 00:59:10,113
Speaker 2: does cover, you know, the stories of the

1518
00:59:10,153 --> 00:59:13,292
Speaker 2: first week of hunting moose, of building a

1519
00:59:13,353 --> 00:59:15,671
Speaker 2: cabin and then exploring the, the

1520
00:59:15,731 --> 00:59:16,857
Speaker 2: surrounding country.

1521
00:59:17,460 --> 00:59:19,538
Speaker 1: Yeah, there you go there you go, there you

1522
00:59:19,558 --> 00:59:21,071
Speaker 1: go, and I mean what you've done, all this

1523
00:59:21,432 --> 00:59:23,197
Speaker 1: sort of like a crazy adventure in your day.

1524
00:59:23,217 --> 00:59:23,858
Speaker 1: I mean what, what?

1525
00:59:23,979 --> 00:59:24,921
Speaker 1: What you're doing now?

1526
00:59:24,981 --> 00:59:26,394
Speaker 1: You're still planning trips away.

1527
00:59:26,414 --> 00:59:29,723
Speaker 1: Do you still yearn from dying of frostbite,

1528
00:59:29,843 --> 00:59:30,806
Speaker 1: or what's so?

1529
00:59:30,846 --> 00:59:31,127
Speaker 2: what's that?

1530
00:59:31,371 --> 00:59:33,257
Speaker 2: Here's the crazy thing, and here's, I guess,

1531
00:59:33,297 --> 00:59:34,481
Speaker 2: the crazy thing about life.

1532
00:59:34,581 --> 00:59:37,992
Speaker 2: Like I mentioned before, you know, prior to

1533
00:59:38,053 --> 00:59:40,800
Speaker 2: doing this, my life revolved around the

1534
00:59:40,861 --> 00:59:41,282
Speaker 2: outdoors.

1535
00:59:41,711 --> 00:59:43,335
Speaker 2: If you would have asked me at the time,

1536
00:59:43,395 --> 00:59:46,202
Speaker 2: what are you going to do with your life, I

1537
00:59:46,242 --> 00:59:48,033
Speaker 2: would have something with the outdoors for

1538
00:59:48,153 --> 00:59:48,394
Speaker 2: sure.

1539
00:59:48,634 --> 00:59:52,242
Speaker 2: Well, I came back and I, I, I realized,

1540
00:59:52,302 --> 00:59:55,755
Speaker 2: like my, I still love the outdoors, of

1541
00:59:55,815 --> 00:59:59,341
Speaker 2: course, but I just wasn't as driven to be

1542
00:59:59,942 --> 01:00:02,933
Speaker 2: out there all the time I just I wasn't, as,

1543
01:00:03,054 --> 01:00:05,538
Speaker 2: in fact, I moved to Colorado, to the Rocky

1544
01:00:05,578 --> 01:00:08,483
Speaker 2: mountains, just to see if, like, maybe it's

1545
01:00:08,543 --> 01:00:11,233
Speaker 2: this place, cause where I live in Northwest

1546
01:00:11,314 --> 01:00:13,678
Speaker 2: Indiana, it's a very flat kind of it's not

1547
01:00:13,718 --> 01:00:15,401
Speaker 2: where you go for outdoor activities,

1548
01:00:15,461 --> 01:00:16,082
Speaker 2: necessarily.

1549
01:00:16,502 --> 01:00:17,364
Speaker 2: I moved out West.

1550
01:00:17,784 --> 01:00:19,195
Speaker 2: Nope, still wasn't there.

1551
01:00:19,371 --> 01:00:20,717
Speaker 2: And now I'm like what the hell?

1552
01:00:20,770 --> 01:00:22,578
Speaker 2: Like it's almost like losing your religion.

1553
01:00:23,212 --> 01:00:24,136
Speaker 2: I didn't know what to do.

1554
01:00:24,390 --> 01:00:27,257
Speaker 2: And so, uh and this is right at the time,

1555
01:00:27,637 --> 01:00:29,361
Speaker 2: uh, the internet was really kind of

1556
01:00:29,481 --> 01:00:32,555
Speaker 2: starting to pick up and of all things, I

1557
01:00:32,615 --> 01:00:36,465
Speaker 2: got involved in computers and I began, I

1558
01:00:36,505 --> 01:00:38,990
Speaker 2: began working in downtown Chicago at an

1559
01:00:39,210 --> 01:00:43,134
Speaker 2: advertising agency, and it was a complete

1560
01:00:43,554 --> 01:00:47,437
Speaker 2: polar reversal from what I had done

1561
01:00:47,497 --> 01:00:48,137
Speaker 2: previously.

1562
01:00:48,518 --> 01:00:52,201
Speaker 2: And so I found my outdoor interests.

1563
01:00:52,381 --> 01:00:55,803
Speaker 2: Those lasted for about 20 years and then my

1564
01:00:55,883 --> 01:00:59,046
Speaker 2: computer for lasted for about 20 years and

1565
01:00:59,126 --> 01:01:01,971
Speaker 2: now it's like I'm on the tail end of that

1566
01:01:02,031 --> 01:01:03,595
Speaker 2: whole computer thing and it's like.

1567
01:01:04,056 --> 01:01:07,283
Speaker 2: So I started kind of uh building things

1568
01:01:07,323 --> 01:01:09,314
Speaker 2: with my hands, a lot of woodworking and

1569
01:01:09,434 --> 01:01:12,400
Speaker 2: leatherware, leather, uh, craft and and uh,

1570
01:01:12,881 --> 01:01:15,973
Speaker 2: just to just to kind of get back to my

1571
01:01:16,033 --> 01:01:16,394
Speaker 2: roots.

1572
01:01:16,514 --> 01:01:18,698
Speaker 2: I guess right, I said a better term, yeah,

1573
01:01:18,779 --> 01:01:20,502
Speaker 2: so there we go, fantastic.

1574
01:01:20,843 --> 01:01:22,873
Speaker 1: Well, david, it's been an absolute pleasure

1575
01:01:22,953 --> 01:01:24,276
Speaker 1: and thank you so much for coming on and

1576
01:01:24,316 --> 01:01:25,198
Speaker 1: talking about your story.

1577
01:01:25,359 --> 01:01:28,305
Speaker 1: It's so good and guys pick up his book man,

1578
01:01:28,325 --> 01:01:28,947
Speaker 1: you're going to love it.

1579
01:01:29,027 --> 01:01:30,310
Speaker 1: It's such a good, as you mentioned.

1580
01:01:30,390 --> 01:01:32,238
Speaker 1: It's such a good story and it's great.