Unmasking the Silent Crisis: A Deep Dive into Mental Health and Suicide

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Speaker 1: It's okay.

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Speaker 1: Thanks for joining us.

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Speaker 2: Thank you for the invitation.

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Speaker 2: Thank you.

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Speaker 1: It's good.

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Speaker 1: So how's things for yourself, misha?

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Speaker 1: Has it been a crazy week for you, or has it been an okay one so far?

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Speaker 2: Well, it's been a very productive week.

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Speaker 2: I just got back from Washington DC and having an opportunity to share with a program there called Great Day Washington, about what's going on in our country, and I also have found out that with our research, also in Europe, mental wellness is an issue.

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Speaker 1: Yes, that's your main sort of like.

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Speaker 1: That's your bag, isn't it?

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Speaker 1: That's your specialty, which is one of the main reasons why I wanted to get you on the show.

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Speaker 1: To be fair, it's one of those sort of like I would say like a touchy subject, but it's one of those subjects that people don't really want to really kind of dive into, sort of things.

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Speaker 1: So I mean, how have you been finding it since you started on your journey about the reception you're getting when you talk about sort of like touchy subjects like this?

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Speaker 2: Well, I'll give you an example, first of all, how I even got into a non-profit organization.

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Speaker 2: I come from the world of entertainment, as you know that I've been a half hour sitcom called Me and Missy, and also a movie, a feature film, which actually you need to pick it up on YouTube.

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Speaker 2: It's called Ease my Girl.

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Speaker 1: Ooh, what kind of?

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Speaker 1: Is that a romantic comedy, or is that a nice one?

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Speaker 2: Well, yeah, you could put it like that, but it has some sort of a following, right.

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Speaker 2: But they have a Simon Sledge character in there who is from you know, from over there in your part of the world.

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Speaker 2: So it's kind of a funny, kind of a funny little movie, but anyway, so I did that and my husband and I lived in Hollywood for about 17 years, in California.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, uh, huh, and I have to.

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Speaker 2: Oh, I gotta tell you too the movie that you're gonna watch.

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Speaker 2: When you watch it, ease my Girl.

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Speaker 2: It's kind of like a take off, like an updated version of some, like a hot.

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Speaker 2: Remember that, oh really.

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Speaker 1: Okay, yeah, okay.

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Speaker 2: So it's like an updated version of that, but what I want to say is that we lived in California for 17 years, came back to the East Coast and we were on a bus, a local bus.

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Speaker 2: Have you come over to the US or?

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Speaker 1: I've only been.

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Speaker 1: The only place I've been to in the US is Vegas, and I don't remember much of it, to be frank.

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Speaker 2: Okay, well, I'm talking New York East Coast.

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Speaker 2: Okay, we were on a bus and we were going from New York to New Jersey, a neighboring state, and the bus driver looked at my husband and I and said do you know more than 10 people jump off this George Washington Bridge every day?

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Speaker 1: Wow, 10 people a day.

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Speaker 2: Every day.

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Speaker 1: Jesus.

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Speaker 2: And we're one of those people where it's like when we hear something, we feel like we gotta say something or do something.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and so even though we're in the entertainment world right so we have all these movies Girl, interrupted, shawshank, redemption, dead Poets, society, ordinary People, fatal Attraction and we see mental illness, we see suicide in these movies, but we don't think does this really happen in real life?

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Speaker 2: So that was kind of a wake up for my husband and I to start doing some research.

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Speaker 2: And in our research we found out according to the Center for Disease Control, the World Health Organization and the National Institutes of Health have all labeled suicide as an epidemic and a crisis, a global crisis.

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Speaker 1: Jesus, yeah, I said that's pretty scary, it's very scary, it's very scary.

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Speaker 2: And then, when we started delving in further globally, over 750,000 people, 10,000 people take their lives every single day.

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Speaker 2: Well globally, so in other words, every 11 minutes, a lot of somebodies take their own lives.

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Speaker 2: And why?

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Speaker 2: Because we're dealing with depression, dealing with loneliness, right, dealing with isolation.

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Speaker 2: You know, especially during COVID, that was really that like took people really to a place, a dark, deep place, where they can't come out of.

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Speaker 2: But then we have economic issues, you know, hunger issues, you know, and now we also have bullying.

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Speaker 2: So you deal with social media, which has created a real problem.

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Speaker 2: So somebody in the UK can be bullying somebody in the United States.

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Speaker 2: They've never even met Advice person.

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Speaker 1: It's ridiculous, isn't it?

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Speaker 2: You see.

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Speaker 2: So this is what got us really involved, you know, with, with wanting to see what, what if we can help eradicate this, help people to find themselves right, help people to figure out why they're here, and relationships are really important.

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Speaker 2: You know, we need to get, we need to, we need to put more compassion into our lives.

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Speaker 2: Right, ask, I can ask you right now, are you okay?

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Speaker 1: I know, that's it.

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Speaker 1: You have to see.

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Speaker 1: You have to see.

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Speaker 1: You have to ask that, don't you?

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Speaker 1: Was it the old schools?

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Speaker 1: Wait, well, not the old school way of doing it, it's the training.

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Speaker 1: You have to ask twice Because I'm going to say everything automatically goes, yeah, I'm fine.

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Speaker 1: Then you ask again they go, are you going?

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Speaker 1: Ah, I got you what's up.

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Speaker 1: Tell me, talk to me.

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Speaker 2: That's right.

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Speaker 2: So I'm asking you are you okay?

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Speaker 1: I'm all right, how you doing, all right.

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Speaker 2: But I'll feel a lot better if we can bring those numbers down, Down of course.

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Speaker 2: I think everybody has to find their mission, their reason for being here and I know one of that's one of our big goals is to really and also get into our industry, our entertainment industry.

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Speaker 2: Gotcha, we're all people in our, you know, in our world, you know it's we're dropping like flies, if I must say so.

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Speaker 2: You've got Robin Williams took his own life, kay Spade took her own life.

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Speaker 2: You know we've got musicians who are just taking their own lives because it doesn't matter how much money you have, where you live, who you are, where you come from.

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Speaker 2: Suicide has no favorites.

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Speaker 2: It does not discriminate right.

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Speaker 2: It has gobbled up some of our best and brightest.

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Speaker 1: It has, hasn't it?

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Speaker 1: As you go, if you notice that it's getting I don't know if you've, obviously you've seen the figures and all that sort of side of things is it getting?

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Speaker 1: Is the figures increasing each year?

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Speaker 1: I take?

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Speaker 2: it.

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Speaker 2: It's gone up about 30% over the last three years.

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Speaker 2: Oh, that's a shocking number isn't it.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, why do you I mean, I would imagine after the last three years is COVID had a massive deal with it, but why do you think it's getting more and more?

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Speaker 1: Because you don't really hear about this sort of like kind of subject like, say, like back in the 80s or back in the 70s.

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Speaker 1: It was there, you Pete, it did happen, unfortunately, but it wasn't a huge sort of talking point.

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Speaker 1: They just went oh, poor him or poor her, and they got on with the day.

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Speaker 1: But now it's really starting to become a little bit more, as you mentioned, it's like a pandemic.

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Speaker 1: Why do you think it's now becoming more of a noticed and people are understanding it more?

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Speaker 1: What do you think's happened?

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Speaker 2: I tell you that 20, 25 years ago, suicide's been around forever, right, ryan?

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Speaker 2: I mean it's in the Bible, right?

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Speaker 2: I mean Judas killed himself, right?

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Speaker 2: So it's been around forever.

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Speaker 2: Bloody Judas, bloody, so he killed himself.

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Speaker 2: But why we haven't talked about it is because when you talk about your mental frailties, if you talk about the, if you tell someone I feel depressed, if you tell someone I'm not feeling good.

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Speaker 2: Today it's looked upon as being weak or people who feel like they're being judged, and so that's why it's been kept quiet.

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Speaker 2: So organizations like ours Suicide Watching Wellness Foundation we want to bring them out of the darkness into the light right In.

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Speaker 2: That's our goal, that's the goal, and that way people won't suffer in silence.

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Speaker 2: So years ago that's what they were doing.

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Speaker 2: They were suffering in silence, and we have to get rid of the stigma, and the only way to do that is to start talking about it.

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Speaker 2: So I think more and more and more and more that we talk about it Like I hope, that in 2026, suicide Watching Wellness Foundation will be a global name and everybody's own.

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Speaker 2: We will be making a difference.

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Speaker 2: We have, you know.

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Speaker 2: Together we can make a difference.

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Speaker 2: You know what I mean.

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Speaker 1: That'd be fantastic, wouldn't it?

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Speaker 1: That's, that's that'd be save a lot of lives.

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Speaker 1: Let's put it that way.

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Speaker 1: Yes, We'd do a lot of good.

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Speaker 1: You know, and it is difficult when it comes to mental health.

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Speaker 1: You can see, I mean, I've had a couple of mental health advocates on the show before.

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Speaker 1: One went through a really dark time and he now helps people similar to yourself.

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Speaker 1: So I think not in the grandest scale that you guys are doing or that sort of stuff.

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Speaker 1: He does it like more small scale, but he talks about his.

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Speaker 1: He talks about his sort of like kind of struggles.

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Speaker 1: And the one thing that we really kind of picked up on is the difference in generations.

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Speaker 1: You know, like, as you mentioned before, back then it did happen, people, mental health was a thing, as again you mentioned that as a thing has been for years.

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Speaker 1: But I think it's the generational difference between each of us.

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Speaker 1: Like you know, it's like my parents, for instance, they're pushing 60.

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Speaker 1: Now I know I don't look, I am actually 40.

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Speaker 1: I look 25, but we don't need to get into that, you know, but Great.

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Speaker 2: Well, let me say this Back in the day, bullying started off as teasing.

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Speaker 1: Oh, yeah, of course.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, look at your trousers.

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Speaker 1: Look at your trousers.

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Speaker 1: It's little little small things, full rising, or that sort of thing.

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Speaker 2: Yes, exactly.

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Speaker 2: So then, teasing turns into pushing and shoving, pushing and shoving turns into fighting.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Okay, and then fighting, that's violence right.

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Speaker 2: And then the person, that's the victim when they try to defend themselves.

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Speaker 2: Everyone gets sent to in school suspension, Everyone gets you know, punished, and so that really empowers the bully.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: And the victim becomes less and less powerful of their own existence and their own self-esteem.

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Speaker 2: So they begin to lose their self-esteem.

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Speaker 2: You know social media, you know, doesn't help much because they're being bullied now in social media, like I mentioned earlier.

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Speaker 2: So self-esteem very important and when people start losing their self-esteem they start losing their reason to even live, exactly.

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Speaker 1: So it's just it takes away their identity, doesn't it?

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Speaker 1: It takes away who they are, and that's one of the things I hate in life.

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Speaker 1: I despise bullies, I despise them, and I've got and I'm very, I'm very protective of my young daughter.

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Speaker 1: She's eight years old.

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Speaker 2: Oh.

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Speaker 1: Little legend that she is, but I am so protective over her and I'm just like.

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Speaker 1: You know that the you ever seen Bad Boys 2?

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Speaker 1: You know, when the kid rocks up to date his daughter, I'm like that.

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Speaker 1: I'm like, oh no, you fucking do it, I'll fuck you up, right?

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Speaker 1: So I'm just like that, and the one of the things that really scares me, I know, and this is the one thing that really can, I wouldn't say concerns me, but it's questioning.

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Speaker 1: When we were growing up, when someone sits there and, as you mentioned before, teasing and all that sort of silly stuff, it's just, but that does kind of manifest into something else, it moves on, it snowballs into something else.

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Speaker 1: But when we were kids it was probably more of, oh, it's just what kids have to go through.

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Speaker 1: You know, come on, just toughen them up a little bit.

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Speaker 1: And I'm just sitting there and because of all the research that's been done and obviously the things that you've, the stats that you've shown and how you guys are doing things and highlighting a lot of things, it really scares me that that can actually manifest into something a lot worse throughout the years if not tackled straight away.

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Speaker 1: And that is gonna make me fucking have a heart attack when she goes to school and tell you.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, we have six year olds, as young as six year old Jesus, no way.

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Speaker 2: Better taking their own lives?

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Speaker 2: Yes, fuck it.

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Speaker 2: And here's the thing the kids are watching remember commercial, I mean, which is called cartoons, right?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so you got Bugs Bunny.

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Speaker 2: You know Bugs Bunny gets blown up, he just shakes his head and he's all put back together, right, so you got little kids that are thinking when someone says, oh, this is how you get back at your parents, just kill yourself.

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Speaker 2: So they take their necktie, they take a belt, they tie it to their bunk bed.

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Speaker 2: But can you imagine when they finally get that choke around their neck, they're thinking, oh, I don't really wanna do this.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that sucks.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and what happens is is that there's no one there to save them.

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Speaker 2: So that happens to a lot of the younger ones, like six and eight years old, who don't even understand what death is.

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Speaker 2: They don't even understand what kill yourself is, but social media shows them and teaches them how to do it.

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Speaker 2: Josh, I don't know so our organization is coming up with an app that parents are going to love because it's gonna be a way for them an app we're working on, an app that parents will be able to use, that will block all of this negative stuff from their children even being able to get into it, or for these social media folks being able to get a hold of our kids.

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Speaker 2: So we have to get parents their power back.

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Speaker 2: They're losing their power because they're working two and three jobs.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, they try to put it for the table.

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Speaker 2: yeah, yeah, so they can't, so they don't have time.

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Speaker 2: So that phone and that TV and all that stuff is taking over the parental role.

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Speaker 1: Response to these yeah.

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Speaker 2: The parental role, and so what we're talking about.

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Speaker 2: And listen to this, how deep this is.

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Speaker 2: Maybe we're going about it the wrong way.

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Speaker 2: Everyone's talking about prevention, suicide prevention, suicide prevention.

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Speaker 2: But, like we mentioned earlier, suicide already happened.

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Speaker 2: It took place in the Bible, so you can't prevent it.

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Speaker 2: It already happened.

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Speaker 2: Prevention is to stop something from ever happening, and so it doesn't exist.

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Speaker 2: Suicide and prevention don't even belong in the same sentence.

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Speaker 1: Right.

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Speaker 2: What we have to do is intervene.

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Speaker 2: Intervention, stop a recurring act from happening over and over again.

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Speaker 2: So that's what we're doing.

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Speaker 2: I get that.

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Speaker 2: I'm thinking that maybe our organization, what we're trying to do, is kind of get people to reimagine the work that we need to do to really give people some, give them their self-worth again, help them find themselves.

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Speaker 2: We have to do that by intervention Prevention.

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Speaker 2: Suicide prevention organizations have been around for years and I tell people, if suicide watching wellness had been around since the 1950s or 60s or 70s and you tell me that suicide's going up 30%, I would be like, oh, we need to have a pow.

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Speaker 2: Wow, all of board members, let's go, we're doing something wrong.

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Speaker 2: So that's what I'm saying.

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Speaker 2: Get it.

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Speaker 2: That makes sense.

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Speaker 1: It does make a lot of sense.

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Speaker 1: It's sort of like we've got over here.

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Speaker 1: It's sort of like a mental health sort of training we've got here I don't know if you've heard it CBT, and it's sort of like different.

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Speaker 1: It's questions to kind of change the sort of mindset of where you are being similar to what you guys are doing, and it's a technique that makes you think differently about it and how it makes you kind of train your mind a little bit differently in how you obviously see things and react to certain scenarios.

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Speaker 1: So it sounds so far that you guys are doing something similar, which is great.

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Speaker 2: Yes, Something that's, and if more organizations can understand that, that's how we have to approach this.

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Speaker 2: In other words, therapy in the arts Ryan Right Art therapy.

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Speaker 2: We have pet therapy, culinary therapy, gardening therapy, drama therapy, poetry therapy, music therapy.

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Speaker 2: Let's get people to find out who they are in life right Before we give them the pharmaceutical therapy.

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Speaker 1: Okay, they don't do nothing.

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Speaker 2: That's the thing we use Well some people don't even need all that medication, but that's the first thing they wanna do is give them antidepressants and then, when that doesn't work, they change the medication.

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Speaker 2: Oh, and every time they change the medication, guess what happens?

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Speaker 2: Family and friends are on suicide watch.

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Speaker 1: I mean, the thing is, with these sort of like kind of medicated drugs that you get, they're not really doing much apart from like numbing you.

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Speaker 1: Really, they're just taking away your essence more than anything else.

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Speaker 1: They're just lining the pockets to the pharmaceutical companies, aren't they?

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Speaker 1: And it's the funniest thing is it's like the first thing they offer.

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Speaker 1: You know, my friend went there.

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Speaker 1: He went.

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Speaker 1: I mean, as I say, we all have people who this is what I'm saying it's so common now you could literally have a handful of friends of five people and if you ask all five of them, guaranteed about one or two of them have had sort of like these sort of tendencies, and that's pretty scary.

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Speaker 1: It ties into your sort of statistical analysis.

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Speaker 2: But I spoke to him and when one person takes their life, it has a ripple effect.

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Speaker 2: About 130 people are affected for every one suicide.

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Speaker 1: It's crazy.

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Speaker 1: I know it's crazy, so I mean I was chatting to my friend about it.

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Speaker 1: And he came off them literally within about two or three weeks because he's seen that he was not him anymore.

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Speaker 1: I was chatting to him and there was, like, just chatting to like I don't know, just a shell of someone and you're just like, jesus Christ, this is what they're doing to people.

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Speaker 2: So, think about it.

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Speaker 2: So think about it the world is overmedicated.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Not the good stuff either.

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Speaker 1: Not the stuff that gives you a good time.

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Speaker 1: Exactly why don't you just give some people some mushrooms and stuff like that and let them go out, you know?

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Speaker 1: Instead, you don't need to give them all these pharmaceutical drugs, Though I would be such a better place if we could just get fucked up on random shit, you know.

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Speaker 2: Stop restricting us.

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Speaker 2: If we could just imagine.

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Speaker 2: Right like John Lennon, if we could just imagine.

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Speaker 2: The bright.

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Speaker 1: Just well, as long as we don't stay away from the yellow submarine or that sort of crazy stuff that he was into, you know we could be fine, but you know I'll go ahead.

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Speaker 1: Nah, I was just.

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Speaker 1: I was literally gonna change the subject and just go into obviously going down the path of setting up the organization, the charity, the guys, the prevention charity.

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Speaker 1: Or were a lot of people like trying to say like oh, this is just a flash in the pan, sort of thing?

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Speaker 2: Well, I'll tell you what.

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Speaker 2: We were blessed my husband and I being in the entertainment industry that we get residuals right, so we don't have nine to five jobs, so we can kind of dig in to finding out what's really going on.

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Speaker 2: And so when you get a mission, or when you figure out that, hmm, why did that bus drive even tell us that story?

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Speaker 2: So we're supposed to be doing something with this right.

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Speaker 2: So, like I'm talking to you, I've talked to a lot of people and when Ron and I said we know what we need to do, we cannot, cannot cure or solve mental health issues or suicide twice a year during May Mental Health Awareness Month, in September, during Suicide Prevention Month.

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Speaker 2: So we have a program that actually airs in Mississippi and soon to go national keep our fingers crossed.

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Speaker 2: Okay, it's called the Mission McKay Show.

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Speaker 2: We Care, oh, wow, yes, and so I'm very excited about that.

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Speaker 2: And also we found out that this well, our program airs every Saturday at five o'clock in the afternoon, which is great, Because you, like I said, you gotta be consistent and you have to do it often, right, not twice a year, when every 11 minutes a lot of somebody's are taking their own life, we cannot do anything when we just deal with it two months out of the year.

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Speaker 2: The other thing is, is that nonprofit organization, if you know you have?

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Speaker 2: I talk, I'm very serious when I tell people about what we're doing and how we're doing it right.

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Speaker 2: So we thought, all right, well, together we make a difference.

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Speaker 2: So we have to have some kind of a nonprofit organization or something, something so other people can help us, help everybody else.

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Speaker 2: So of course we went to a law firm, butler Snow, because let me tell you, to put together your own nonprofit organization, ryan, it's like a 400 page book.

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Speaker 1: And I said did we make the right choice here?

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Speaker 1: That seems mental.

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Speaker 2: So we went and Butler Snow was the attorney law and we went in there and talked to them just like I'm talking to you, yeah and they said guess what?

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Speaker 2: We're going to help you put together your bylaws, your articles of incorporation, and we're going to do a pro bono because we think what you're doing is powerful and is needed.

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Speaker 1: That's nice of them.

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Speaker 2: So that is how we got that part done, and the interesting thing is about that they said okay, so what to do your articles of incorporation?

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Speaker 2: We want you to imagine 100 years from now what does your organization look like.

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Speaker 2: First of all, we know television shows, right?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, we're working on an hour drama series that deals with suicide, right?

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Speaker 2: At the end of all these shows, guess what?

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Speaker 2: But we're going to show how that intervention can happen with a friend, a family member, so that's going to be really exciting.

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Speaker 2: We have sunbeam cottages that we want to open up all over the world and these are just talk centers.

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Speaker 2: These are places where you come and get that extra therapy.

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Speaker 2: And if you've gone to a mental health facility and they said, well, your insurance ran out, it only covered you for four weeks or six weeks.

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Speaker 2: Listen, mental illness is an invisible illness.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, is that like a broken arm or broken leg?

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Speaker 2: What you can say will probably heal in four weeks or six weeks, but for a mental broken, we don't see that.

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Speaker 2: We don't see it.

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Speaker 1: There was a very powerful advert or commercial that was made over here.

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Speaker 1: It was part of the Norwich Football Club and what it was.

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Speaker 1: It was literally like two people watching football One's very quiet and one's getting up and at the end of it it turns out to be a misdirection and it shows that the person that was getting excited and getting all that and yeah, yeah, yeah, and the person who was miserable was fine, but the other person actually did commit suicide.

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Speaker 1: And it turned around and says and the big main sticker of it was depression is not something you see, and it's like wow, and it was so powerful and I was like shit.

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Speaker 1: It's definitely and this is why you have to be so careful nowadays about your friends.

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Speaker 1: And if you've not heard from people for a long time and who you've, who you and it's all, do you know?

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Speaker 1: I'm going to say it's the one thing that I've noticed it's always the loud ones.

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Speaker 1: It's always the loud and I don't know it's not all that, but you can tell it's always the outgoing person, because I believe in a group scenario.

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Speaker 1: They're trying to over stimulate, trying to overexert, because they're not feeling that inside.

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Speaker 1: So they're being overly extra and you go, are you always saying, are you, are you all right?

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Speaker 1: And they're like I'm right, yeah, exaggerated personality, that's even not because they're not normally like that, but they're trying to overcompensate that's the word I was thinking of Overcompensate and you can just stick out like a sore thumb and it's scary, it's scary, it's scary, it's scary, it's scary, it's scary, it's scary, it's so frightening.

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Speaker 2: Well, one thing that we also do with Suicide Watching Wellness Foundation, which they can go to our website SuicideWatchingWellnessFoundationorg and look at all the great interesting opportunities that we offer.

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Speaker 2: You can go to our gallery section and hear you know great testimonies.

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Speaker 2: But one of the things that I'm excited about, which I would love it for it to become a globally adopted program, is our Ambassadors Against Bullying.

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Speaker 2: In elementary school, you're an advocate against bullying.

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Speaker 2: And when you get to high school, you're an ambassador against bullying.

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Speaker 2: Right, okay, so that program we're really pushing hard for it, to you know, become a program that schools all over will adopt.

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Speaker 2: And what it is?

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Speaker 2: It's a peer-to-peer.

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Speaker 2: Empowerment program.

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Speaker 2: Okay, I will not be bullied today.

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Speaker 1: Not today.

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Speaker 2: Another thing that we love that we want to help schools adopt, which we're helping to create some sort of certification where they can actually adopt some of these programs that we have.

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Speaker 2: Another one is the Mental Health Awareness Field Trip Workshops.

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Speaker 1: Right, okay, that sounds interesting.

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Speaker 1: What's that about?

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Speaker 2: Well, the students come.

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Speaker 2: Who doesn't want to go on a bus and go on a field trip, right?

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Speaker 1: To be honest, I'm 40.

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Speaker 2: So they come to our building and we have lunch.

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Speaker 2: We talk about bullying.

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Speaker 2: So it's giving them a platform, it's giving them an opportunity to talk, that's right and they get out of the school environment, they come to our building, which is an historical.

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Speaker 2: Actually it's on the historical registry of you know, it's an historical building and it's located in Canton, mississippi.

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Speaker 2: But, like I say, that's our first one.

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Speaker 2: Depending on how large the city is, depending how large the state is, will depend on how many of those sunbeam talk centers we open up.

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Speaker 2: So we have fun.

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Speaker 2: Our first group was we're 90 elementary school kids, ninety 90.

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Speaker 2: Because our building is big enough where we have like a huge room where 90, you know.

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Speaker 2: So they had a good time.

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Speaker 2: You'd be surprised of how they help each other, how.

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Speaker 2: I asked them a question.

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Speaker 2: These are like their age group is like eight, eight, nine year olds, right, and I said so what is bullying?

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Speaker 2: So I asked, they all said kind of like the same thing, you know kicking someone, yelling at somebody, slamming their locker, pushing somebody down.

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Speaker 2: But one kid said that bullying is stomping your foot at your mom.

378
0:27:13,805 --> 0:27:15,399
Speaker 2: I thought that was interesting.

379
0:27:15,602 --> 0:27:17,325
Speaker 1: Okay, that's an interesting analogy.

380
0:27:17,325 --> 0:27:18,013
Speaker 1: Well, think about it.

381
0:27:19,532 --> 0:27:20,202
Speaker 2: Bullying starts at home.

382
0:27:22,132 --> 0:27:25,465
Speaker 2: He obviously has siblings and probably has an older sibling.

383
0:27:25,546 --> 0:27:29,835
Speaker 2: Oh right, that is all stamp his foot at their mom.

384
0:27:30,266 --> 0:27:32,575
Speaker 1: So it's just that I can.

385
0:27:32,776 --> 0:27:38,589
Speaker 1: Obviously they see things, they interpret it differently and they adopt it very quickly and it's.

386
0:27:38,649 --> 0:27:44,412
Speaker 1: I mean, it's great that you had when they have an opportunity, and it's interesting as well.

387
0:27:44,586 --> 0:27:51,217
Speaker 1: You mentioned that they all start talking and I think if you give them the actual, the platform, you actually give them, like, the, the, the permission.

388
0:27:51,257 --> 0:27:52,345
Speaker 1: It's the old school phrase, isn't it?

389
0:27:52,445 --> 0:28:00,045
Speaker 1: It's like if you give a person permission to do it, the permission to shine your light, unconsciously gives them permission to do the same sort of thing.

390
0:28:00,105 --> 0:28:01,090
Speaker 1: I don't know if I said that right.

391
0:28:01,486 --> 0:28:03,412
Speaker 1: I tried to act clever there, misha, but I, I, I.

392
0:28:03,572 --> 0:28:06,770
Speaker 1: I look like a dick, but you understand it and talk is not cheap.

393
0:28:07,366 --> 0:28:07,968
Speaker 1: Talk is not cheap.

394
0:28:08,490 --> 0:28:23,511
Speaker 1: That's it and the thing, and it's it's a great time to do it, because if you actually talks to them when they're kids and when they're young enough, they develop into, like the, a different way of thinking, and I don't want to say it, but when they get to an adult side of things, I mean, are we getting to that as well?

395
0:28:23,531 --> 0:28:24,153
Speaker 1: It's a good point.

396
0:28:24,285 --> 0:28:35,318
Speaker 1: Do you think when they become more into an adult scenario, a bit more like in the 20s and 30s, is it still, oh, is it still worth doing this sort of set of stuff to them as well, like that?

397
0:28:36,188 --> 0:28:37,533
Speaker 2: Or oh, gosh yeah.

398
0:28:37,767 --> 0:28:44,445
Speaker 2: Because, here's what we have to do we have to change this whole culture that we developed years ago, starting with that teasing.

399
0:28:45,187 --> 0:29:01,061
Speaker 2: So now what happens is, once we can get that bully to not to become, take that, that, that power, that they want to be leaders, turn it around for something positive, right, then we don't have bullies in the workplace.

400
0:29:01,081 --> 0:29:01,866
Speaker 2: Good point, you know.

401
0:29:01,886 --> 0:29:08,244
Speaker 2: So this is going to be a process but I do believe that we're going to be able to make a difference with it.

402
0:29:09,691 --> 0:29:28,976
Speaker 1: Do you think, do you think this is all ever going to really stop, or is this stuck with us, this sort of like can the way society has now become Because it's a different scenario than we were like even five years ago, three years ago, with social media, with all these platforms that the keyboard warriors you see them all the time, you can hear them typing away, but you get them face to face, they shit themselves.

403
0:29:29,245 --> 0:29:44,825
Speaker 1: But do you think this is going to be an ongoing thing that we just it's like, I don't know it's never going to change, or do you think we've got to see that the things that you're doing and obviously I can imagine, I'd like to think that people might be inspired by what you guys are doing might be able to do the same?

404
0:29:46,329 --> 0:29:50,338
Speaker 1: Do you think it's going to make a change for the future and ongoing for different generations?

405
0:29:51,185 --> 0:29:55,797
Speaker 2: Suicide Watch and Foundation is an ongoing campaign.

406
0:29:56,707 --> 0:29:58,425
Speaker 2: Okay, so, yes, we are going to make a difference.

407
0:29:58,566 --> 0:29:59,610
Speaker 2: We're not going anywhere.

408
0:29:59,966 --> 0:30:02,113
Speaker 2: What we're going to do is expand.

409
0:30:02,687 --> 0:30:10,310
Speaker 2: What we're going to do is get bigger, like, yeah, you, I mean hopefully in 2026, there'll be a sunbeam home Over where you live.

410
0:30:10,866 --> 0:30:11,609
Speaker 1: Oh, I'd like to think so.

411
0:30:11,630 --> 0:30:12,312
Speaker 1: That'd be awesome.

412
0:30:12,787 --> 0:30:14,473
Speaker 2: Oh, we're recruiting people now.

413
0:30:15,946 --> 0:30:18,844
Speaker 2: Yes, we get together we have to make a difference.

414
0:30:19,126 --> 0:30:19,829
Speaker 2: We have to help one another.

415
0:30:20,165 --> 0:30:23,476
Speaker 2: Nobody, nobody is off off, off the hook.

416
0:30:23,927 --> 0:30:25,802
Speaker 2: All hands and all eyes on deck.

417
0:30:26,486 --> 0:30:27,008
Speaker 2: Listen to this.

418
0:30:27,610 --> 0:30:29,818
Speaker 2: I talked to a news reporter the other day.

419
0:30:30,199 --> 0:30:33,568
Speaker 2: Yeah, okay and I said I had seen him.

420
0:30:33,648 --> 0:30:42,471
Speaker 2: Actually he does a lot of news, but basically he covers things like um, I don't know, like murders or Break-ins and things like that right.

421
0:30:42,752 --> 0:30:43,956
Speaker 1: Yeah, not nice stuff Basically.

422
0:30:44,718 --> 0:30:50,264
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I saw and people don't even like to watch the news, they said because it's depressing anyway I saw this guy, trevor, and I said hey.

423
0:30:50,826 --> 0:30:54,715
Speaker 2: I said you need to come and do a story about, you know, suicide, watching, wellness and what we're doing.

424
0:30:55,257 --> 0:30:59,394
Speaker 2: He said Well, you know that's not my MO.

425
0:31:01,006 --> 0:31:04,694
Speaker 2: Because, of what he covers right with the station, has him cover.

426
0:31:05,476 --> 0:31:06,118
Speaker 2: That's what I told him.

427
0:31:08,966 --> 0:31:17,100
Speaker 2: I said no, I said it is your MO, it's everybody's MO, because everybody knows someone who's suffering.

428
0:31:17,361 --> 0:31:18,285
Speaker 2: So see, that's what I'm saying.

429
0:31:18,707 --> 0:31:24,410
Speaker 2: We have to make people the urgency of Helping people to understand that this is our problem.

430
0:31:24,751 --> 0:31:29,119
Speaker 2: Yeah of course, problem it's not just you, me or Ron or Amy or you.

431
0:31:29,205 --> 0:31:34,178
Speaker 2: This is, this is, this is a global problem, and the only way we're gonna solve it is together.

432
0:31:35,487 --> 0:31:36,109
Speaker 2: You know we can.

433
0:31:36,350 --> 0:31:40,855
Speaker 2: We're not gonna change Anything if we don't change the mindset and the culture.

434
0:31:41,846 --> 0:31:49,737
Speaker 2: That's what has to happen and that's what we're working for it, and I'm very excited about that, and I will speak to anybody all day about this, because I know guess what else?

435
0:31:49,757 --> 0:31:51,168
Speaker 2: We created Happy cards.

436
0:31:51,610 --> 0:31:53,668
Speaker 2: Oh, amy's gonna give me your address.

437
0:31:53,909 --> 0:31:56,194
Speaker 2: I've got to get your address because I'm gonna send you happy cards.

438
0:31:56,835 --> 0:31:57,918
Speaker 1: Oh, they're gonna make me happy.

439
0:31:58,306 --> 0:32:04,386
Speaker 2: Yeah, I, we have happy cards, I and we came up with them because we were big huggers, right Okay.

440
0:32:05,148 --> 0:32:09,498
Speaker 2: And when COVID came around we couldn't hug, remember, six feet apart, oh my god, go to anybody.

441
0:32:10,347 --> 0:32:18,181
Speaker 2: So one day we were at a Grocery store, local grocery store, and the girl was ringing me up, sophie, and I, like that's another thing.

442
0:32:19,024 --> 0:32:24,151
Speaker 2: Our World is small, not not, I mean, stop being strangers.

443
0:32:25,046 --> 0:32:27,593
Speaker 2: My dad used to tell me, even as a kid, I never meet a stranger.

444
0:32:28,115 --> 0:32:30,410
Speaker 2: Yeah no, I've asked people that I don't even know.

445
0:32:30,811 --> 0:32:32,154
Speaker 2: So you all right, are you okay?

446
0:32:32,234 --> 0:32:33,177
Speaker 2: I always ask that question.

447
0:32:33,386 --> 0:32:44,209
Speaker 2: I try to ask that question to everybody, at least one somebody every day, if we all can even adopt that, and not just necessarily people you know, but somebody you don't know.

448
0:32:45,012 --> 0:32:46,516
Speaker 2: And so the cashier, I said Sophie.

449
0:32:46,576 --> 0:32:47,118
Speaker 2: I said are you okay?

450
0:32:47,218 --> 0:32:47,679
Speaker 2: It's nothing.

451
0:32:48,040 --> 0:32:54,332
Speaker 2: When I go in the store I like to know every, especially was my, you, my regular store, right Like we shop at Whole Foods a lot, so I know all everybody in there.

452
0:32:55,175 --> 0:32:57,745
Speaker 2: I said to Sophie I said are you okay today?

453
0:32:57,765 --> 0:32:58,743
Speaker 2: And she said I am.

454
0:32:58,857 --> 0:33:07,070
Speaker 2: I didn't think she was, though and this is right in the beginning of the pandemic, and we couldn't touch her hug or anything, so we left out the store.

455
0:33:07,090 --> 0:33:08,174
Speaker 2: I felt so bad.

456
0:33:08,515 --> 0:33:09,218
Speaker 2: I was like Ron.

457
0:33:09,579 --> 0:33:11,105
Speaker 2: I believe Sophie needed a hug.

458
0:33:11,306 --> 0:33:18,185
Speaker 2: I cannot believe that we cannot Tell people and they not just felt like so responsible if she had done something, like tried to kill herself.

459
0:33:19,331 --> 0:33:20,074
Speaker 2: Oh, that bothered me.

460
0:33:20,135 --> 0:33:20,778
Speaker 2: That bothered me.

461
0:33:20,818 --> 0:33:25,496
Speaker 2: I don't know if I had a dream about it or whatever, but I woke up the next morning and I said Ron, I got it.

462
0:33:25,596 --> 0:33:28,345
Speaker 2: He said what happy cards, happy cards.

463
0:33:28,445 --> 0:33:29,791
Speaker 2: We can give out happy cards.

464
0:33:30,706 --> 0:33:32,914
Speaker 2: That's how we, that's how the happy card got created.

465
0:33:32,925 --> 0:33:36,674
Speaker 2: But then we got excited about it and I, so they have all these different things.

466
0:33:37,315 --> 0:33:38,578
Speaker 2: Each card is different so far.

467
0:33:39,187 --> 0:33:47,929
Speaker 2: We're turning them to a series now, so we're working on getting them on our website so people can go to our Suica Place and and get some.

468
0:33:48,431 --> 0:33:49,694
Speaker 2: So I'm excited about those happy cards.

469
0:33:49,774 --> 0:33:52,913
Speaker 2: Every time we give them to people, it's a calling card, it starts a conversation.

470
0:33:53,214 --> 0:33:53,596
Speaker 2: That's good.

471
0:33:53,696 --> 0:33:54,921
Speaker 1: It's a good icebreaker, isn't it?

472
0:33:55,704 --> 0:33:57,490
Speaker 1: I said now it's a good icebreaker.

473
0:33:58,053 --> 0:33:58,294
Speaker 2: Oh yeah.

474
0:33:58,807 --> 0:34:01,860
Speaker 1: We're like open, open up the channels of communication, as you said.

475
0:34:01,880 --> 0:34:02,925
Speaker 1: It's very important to do that.

476
0:34:02,965 --> 0:34:08,529
Speaker 2: Oh yeah and everything we've given it to people that have taken it and put it next to the heart and said oh, I needed this today.

477
0:34:09,031 --> 0:34:11,099
Speaker 2: Now, I don't leave it like that.

478
0:34:11,441 --> 0:34:12,405
Speaker 2: Yeah that's what I'm saying.

479
0:34:12,586 --> 0:34:14,072
Speaker 2: So I said why did you need that today?

480
0:34:14,907 --> 0:34:23,995
Speaker 2: And he starts the conversation we're so busy, we're so busy doing our own work, we're so busy doing me that we cannot reach out and deal with other people.

481
0:34:24,015 --> 0:34:24,897
Speaker 2: And that's what I'm trying to say.

482
0:34:25,406 --> 0:34:29,677
Speaker 2: I pray that we can make people understand that we have to love each other again.

483
0:34:29,765 --> 0:34:32,232
Speaker 2: We have to be compassionate with one another again.

484
0:34:32,252 --> 0:34:35,413
Speaker 2: We have to care about people for real, for real, for real.

485
0:34:35,896 --> 0:34:36,903
Speaker 1: We just worried about ourselves.

486
0:34:36,963 --> 0:34:37,245
Speaker 1: At the minute.

487
0:34:37,446 --> 0:34:43,202
Speaker 1: I'm way too busy worried about what we can do and how our next tech talk video we can produce.

488
0:34:43,342 --> 0:34:47,530
Speaker 1: Or are we gonna be YouTube mega stars and all that sort of silly stuff we don't worry about?

489
0:34:47,550 --> 0:34:49,785
Speaker 1: The people are very close to us, our next door neighbors.

490
0:34:50,628 --> 0:34:54,581
Speaker 1: I mean, when was the last time if you speak to a person now probably any sort of person?

491
0:34:54,726 --> 0:34:57,905
Speaker 1: The last time you spoke to your neighbor, I would probably say about 80% of them just went.

492
0:34:57,985 --> 0:35:00,453
Speaker 1: I don't even know my neighbor, and it's just that's so sad.

493
0:35:00,834 --> 0:35:05,957
Speaker 1: It's so sad Because you know you never know they people need help and you're not there to help them something.

494
0:35:06,547 --> 0:35:10,422
Speaker 2: So if we can bring that back, that that urgency back, that's so that's what we do.

495
0:35:10,442 --> 0:35:11,145
Speaker 2: We have campaigns.

496
0:35:11,686 --> 0:35:14,934
Speaker 2: So our point, our campaign we're running now it's called the I care campaign.

497
0:35:15,254 --> 0:35:17,868
Speaker 2: Right, I care, you care, we care, everyone cares.

498
0:35:18,631 --> 0:35:24,653
Speaker 2: So right now we're in America, but I'm telling you by 2020 Maybe it'll be sooner, but for sure by 2026.

499
0:35:25,054 --> 0:35:30,630
Speaker 2: I expect you to say hey, I went to a Sunbeam house and I sit down and talk to somebody.

500
0:35:31,011 --> 0:35:31,432
Speaker 1: I'd be great.

501
0:35:31,633 --> 0:35:34,629
Speaker 1: I would just go there, just say I would just chill out, I'm gonna go there, I'll be all.

502
0:35:34,669 --> 0:35:38,514
Speaker 1: I sounds like a great place to go, even though you're not until like you don't need to talk to anyone.

503
0:35:38,525 --> 0:35:40,713
Speaker 1: You just you can be one of the people that can talk to someone else.

504
0:35:40,733 --> 0:35:42,367
Speaker 1: You know, Exactly it.

505
0:35:42,527 --> 0:35:50,828
Speaker 2: I'll be great bring a few beers, you know get bring the Xbox Playback college Stuff go.

506
0:35:50,868 --> 0:35:52,292
Speaker 1: I tell you what can you do sooner?

507
0:35:52,312 --> 0:35:53,174
Speaker 1: This is amazing.

508
0:35:53,235 --> 0:35:54,317
Speaker 1: It's like a real little hangout.

509
0:35:55,887 --> 0:35:57,674
Speaker 2: So I'm excited about that and good.

510
0:35:58,297 --> 0:36:03,233
Speaker 2: Yeah, and it's a feel-good place too Of course, you know, I do really want to hear my problem that somebody asked me.

511
0:36:03,614 --> 0:36:06,108
Speaker 2: When I said hi, I said are you okay, sir?

512
0:36:07,086 --> 0:36:11,442
Speaker 2: It was an old, old, old man, but he had on up a veteran cap right okay.

513
0:36:11,768 --> 0:36:15,793
Speaker 2: I knew he was a vet, a veteran and, and I gave him a happy card.

514
0:36:16,034 --> 0:36:22,625
Speaker 2: I said I have something to give you and he says me and I said yeah, and he says okay, and it was a happy card.

515
0:36:23,993 --> 0:36:26,125
Speaker 2: And all that happened, with tears start coming out of his eyes.

516
0:36:26,245 --> 0:36:27,108
Speaker 2: I said are you okay?

517
0:36:27,649 --> 0:36:30,216
Speaker 2: And he said thank you for making me happy.

518
0:36:32,007 --> 0:36:33,091
Speaker 1: Just one part, just.

519
0:36:35,228 --> 0:36:37,016
Speaker 2: Are suffering and it's a shame.

520
0:36:37,097 --> 0:36:37,298
Speaker 2: I don't.

521
0:36:37,619 --> 0:36:38,343
Speaker 2: I'm sorry I'm not.

522
0:36:38,403 --> 0:36:58,187
Speaker 2: I don't know the Statistics of veterans in Europe, but I know here it's shameful that are hungry and homeless, working on a care card for them as well their clothes, their living and and also their therapy, because they don't have any Exodus.

523
0:36:58,267 --> 0:37:07,805
Speaker 2: When they leave a mental you know, you know Like to get it so they can understand that they're coming back into a different space.

524
0:37:08,347 --> 0:37:10,152
Speaker 2: So I have a friend who has a brother in law.

525
0:37:13,007 --> 0:37:16,405
Speaker 2: When he came back from being deployed in Iraq, he was not the same person anymore.

526
0:37:16,767 --> 0:37:18,819
Speaker 1: Not, you know and you know what he told her.

527
0:37:18,859 --> 0:37:19,885
Speaker 2: He said I got to go back.

528
0:37:20,707 --> 0:37:24,016
Speaker 2: I want to go back because I'm not used to the silence.

529
0:37:24,657 --> 0:37:27,755
Speaker 1: Yeah, different the difference is silence.

530
0:37:28,258 --> 0:37:33,476
Speaker 2: They had him go to therapy for six weeks Because they said that's how long it would take for him to get himself together.

531
0:37:33,645 --> 0:37:39,278
Speaker 2: After he came back from from the, from his therapy, after six weeks, he said he wants to go back.

532
0:37:39,318 --> 0:37:39,779
Speaker 2: He's okay.

533
0:37:39,839 --> 0:37:40,039
Speaker 2: Now.

534
0:37:40,439 --> 0:37:44,503
Speaker 2: They gave him his weapons back, his guns and all that, and he ended up taking his own life.

535
0:37:45,145 --> 0:37:45,487
Speaker 1: Shocker.

536
0:37:45,507 --> 0:37:46,591
Speaker 1: I know it's shocking.

537
0:37:46,973 --> 0:37:48,037
Speaker 1: I mean I'm a veteran myself.

538
0:37:48,097 --> 0:37:53,157
Speaker 1: I did seven years in the Air Force sort of thing, so I'm right and yes, I know you mean it's.

539
0:37:53,458 --> 0:37:55,265
Speaker 1: It's exactly the same sort of scenario over here.

540
0:37:55,405 --> 0:38:03,819
Speaker 1: You know, they the the way that you're treated over here, the veterans, and you just say, oh, they do what do you want to leave the forces that just go, okay, so you let it by.

541
0:38:03,839 --> 0:38:12,294
Speaker 1: You don't get any really sort of help, you don't really get any sort of acclimatization to like civvy Street and you're on your own and it's, it's so, so hard.

542
0:38:12,314 --> 0:38:14,765
Speaker 1: That's why the majority of the statistic came out.

543
0:38:14,905 --> 0:38:18,636
Speaker 1: It's in, 65% of the homeless people are veterans veterans.

544
0:38:19,545 --> 0:38:20,529
Speaker 2: Isn't that shameful?

545
0:38:21,072 --> 0:38:21,614
Speaker 1: horrible.

546
0:38:23,254 --> 0:38:26,331
Speaker 2: I mean, how and how do we just like, like, can accept it.

547
0:38:26,371 --> 0:38:28,257
Speaker 2: Everyone says, oh, we care about the veterans, who care about the veterans.

548
0:38:28,285 --> 0:38:33,673
Speaker 2: So we have a program call for art's sake, and they come to our building and they can.

549
0:38:34,094 --> 0:38:44,232
Speaker 2: You know, an art therapist works with them but they feel like somebody cares about them and there's a group of people in our community groups that people don't, that they are the voiceless.

550
0:38:45,025 --> 0:38:47,829
Speaker 2: So Suicide Watching Wellness Foundation are the voice for them.

551
0:38:48,190 --> 0:38:48,632
Speaker 2: Who is that?

552
0:38:49,045 --> 0:38:54,510
Speaker 2: Our veterans, our senior citizens, our people with disabilities, our young people and, of course, our furry friends.

553
0:38:56,166 --> 0:38:56,889
Speaker 1: I really love them.

554
0:38:57,532 --> 0:38:58,054
Speaker 1: Got a lot of them.

555
0:38:58,485 --> 0:39:03,105
Speaker 2: Did you have, and you know a lot of veterans have, you know, dogs that come back?

556
0:39:03,185 --> 0:39:04,210
Speaker 1: No, I'm not allowed to.

557
0:39:04,905 --> 0:39:08,950
Speaker 1: It's the flat, the house that I'm in, because obviously I'm rented accommodation a minute.

558
0:39:08,990 --> 0:39:09,833
Speaker 1: I'm not allowed to have dogs.

559
0:39:09,873 --> 0:39:10,555
Speaker 1: I'm devastated.

560
0:39:12,269 --> 0:39:13,352
Speaker 1: So, plus, I'm always working.

561
0:39:13,432 --> 0:39:14,054
Speaker 1: I love dogs.

562
0:39:14,074 --> 0:39:15,157
Speaker 1: I'm a massive dog fan.

563
0:39:15,205 --> 0:39:21,333
Speaker 1: I used to have a Goni Triever when I was going and they had beautiful dogs and it's about working during the day.

564
0:39:21,445 --> 0:39:29,013
Speaker 1: I'm out working like nine, 10 hours a day and it's not fair leave the dog at home and yeah, otherwise I would have like five of them.

565
0:39:29,094 --> 0:39:32,393
Speaker 1: They're brilliant, they're colored and they're jumping up behind me.

566
0:39:33,025 --> 0:39:35,053
Speaker 2: We call it the power of the furry friends.

567
0:39:35,568 --> 0:39:37,349
Speaker 1: Yes, definitely, and it's true they are.

568
0:39:38,345 --> 0:39:39,772
Speaker 1: That's why they use therapy dogs.

569
0:39:39,986 --> 0:39:46,507
Speaker 1: You know that sort of thing as well and they're very popular with like climatization and people who have gone through stuff, and they do work.

570
0:39:46,869 --> 0:39:52,092
Speaker 1: But because just sometimes you see them talking to these dogs and they talk to the dogs instead of talking to anyone else.

571
0:39:52,505 --> 0:39:53,714
Speaker 1: And they're just like my God.

572
0:39:54,325 --> 0:39:57,752
Speaker 2: Yeah, I have a teacher that says I'm only talking to my dog today.

573
0:39:59,646 --> 0:40:01,789
Speaker 1: If I did that, people would be like right, what the hell?

574
0:40:01,809 --> 0:40:07,027
Speaker 1: I was like walk into work, I'm not talking to anyone, talking to my dog, I don't.

575
0:40:07,268 --> 0:40:09,569
Speaker 1: They're like why you don't have a dog, exactly.

576
0:40:12,107 --> 0:40:26,074
Speaker 2: There's a girl she's a woman now, but her name is Emily and she was part of that horrific natural disaster of Katrina and they lived in Louisiana.

577
0:40:26,705 --> 0:40:27,087
Speaker 1: All right okay.

578
0:40:28,025 --> 0:40:35,031
Speaker 2: And as 14 years old, she lost everything, all of her toys, all of her books, all of her journalists, everything, everything.

579
0:40:35,605 --> 0:40:48,328
Speaker 2: So when she, their parents moved to Mississippi and she still was depressed, so they put her in a rehab program and this I don't know where they're fixed on this six week thing, but anyway, six weeks didn't really help her.

580
0:40:48,408 --> 0:40:49,693
Speaker 2: But she can continue.

581
0:40:49,725 --> 0:40:50,529
Speaker 2: She's 27 now.

582
0:40:50,945 --> 0:40:52,571
Speaker 2: She continues to see a therapist, right?

583
0:40:53,465 --> 0:41:00,271
Speaker 2: Anyway, one day she went to her therapist and told her therapist that morning that I felt like she said, I felt like killing myself.

584
0:41:00,905 --> 0:41:01,287
Speaker 1: Jesus.

585
0:41:02,125 --> 0:41:02,788
Speaker 2: And the therapist.

586
0:41:02,909 --> 0:41:08,412
Speaker 2: She told me this story like about a month or two months ago, something in there, and the therapist said why didn't you?

587
0:41:10,405 --> 0:41:11,469
Speaker 1: I was like how we try to see me.

588
0:41:11,489 --> 0:41:12,092
Speaker 1: You know what I mean.

589
0:41:12,385 --> 0:41:13,811
Speaker 1: It's like whoa, but deep.

590
0:41:14,767 --> 0:41:20,013
Speaker 2: And her answer was is because there would be nobody left to take care of Taco, her little Chihuahua.

591
0:41:20,525 --> 0:41:27,313
Speaker 1: Oh, bless Christ, these sort of dogs don't not realize they've saved a lot of people's lives in this world, yes, and they've done nothing.

592
0:41:27,434 --> 0:41:33,793
Speaker 2: Yes, it's just them, being them, unconditional love Dogs and cats and cats.

593
0:41:33,813 --> 0:41:34,415
Speaker 2: We love the cats.

594
0:41:35,328 --> 0:41:36,192
Speaker 2: I don't trust cats.

595
0:41:37,508 --> 0:41:39,052
Speaker 1: I'm not a big fan of cats, misha.

596
0:41:39,072 --> 0:41:39,714
Speaker 1: I can't lie to you.

597
0:41:39,734 --> 0:41:40,336
Speaker 1: I don't trust them.

598
0:41:41,728 --> 0:41:43,394
Speaker 1: They've got head and a gen, is that not it?

599
0:41:43,525 --> 0:41:45,372
Speaker 1: The thing is, this is the difference between dog and cat.

600
0:41:45,706 --> 0:41:46,911
Speaker 1: This is my sort of scenario.

601
0:41:47,645 --> 0:41:52,170
Speaker 1: You go to a dog, you go over to it and you go come on, boy, come on, and it comes over straight away.

602
0:41:52,565 --> 0:41:54,746
Speaker 1: You go to a cat, you go keep me a thing, come on.

603
0:41:54,786 --> 0:41:57,093
Speaker 1: It looks at you and goes, no, fuck you.

604
0:41:57,765 --> 0:41:58,829
Speaker 1: And then you go, oh, get in.

605
0:41:59,130 --> 0:42:02,133
Speaker 1: And then you go away, and then it comes over when it wants and it's just like that.

606
0:42:02,345 --> 0:42:05,029
Speaker 1: I'm not doing it because you told me I'm doing it when I want to.

607
0:42:05,130 --> 0:42:05,652
Speaker 1: You fucker.

608
0:42:06,025 --> 0:42:07,270
Speaker 1: And I'm just like I just don't trust them.

609
0:42:07,645 --> 0:42:08,960
Speaker 1: I don't trust them as well.

610
0:42:09,405 --> 0:42:10,088
Speaker 2: I'm getting used to it.

611
0:42:10,766 --> 0:42:11,619
Speaker 1: I'm getting used to them now.

612
0:42:12,065 --> 0:42:12,707
Speaker 2: Now the cat?

613
0:42:12,747 --> 0:42:14,473
Speaker 2: Let me tell you, we have both.

614
0:42:15,266 --> 0:42:22,968
Speaker 1: They can bear, co-exist too, they love each other and also just to jump in there, there's a reason why the ancient Egyptians worshipped cats, and they were clever.

615
0:42:23,385 --> 0:42:24,569
Speaker 1: They knew something that we didn't.

616
0:42:25,292 --> 0:42:25,693
Speaker 2: What is that?

617
0:42:26,205 --> 0:42:27,129
Speaker 1: The ancient Egyptians.

618
0:42:29,005 --> 0:42:30,050
Speaker 1: They died before they told us.

619
0:42:30,285 --> 0:42:31,168
Speaker 1: So they know something.

620
0:42:31,509 --> 0:42:32,914
Speaker 1: They know something they didn't let us know.

621
0:42:33,205 --> 0:42:34,872
Speaker 1: So, we're like they're taking over the world.

622
0:42:34,945 --> 0:42:38,934
Speaker 1: Misha, I'm telling you this is a conspiracy theory, the wrong show for this.

623
0:42:39,145 --> 0:42:42,234
Speaker 1: I didn't tell this to the conspiracy theory show that I'm on next week, but it's the whole thing.

624
0:42:42,454 --> 0:42:44,450
Speaker 2: Oh God, you know what I think, ryan?

625
0:42:44,625 --> 0:42:54,535
Speaker 2: I think that what it is is that and I think I figured it out kind of is that the canine, our furry friend, dog, right?

626
0:42:54,956 --> 0:42:55,157
Speaker 1: Yeah.

627
0:42:55,805 --> 0:43:01,350
Speaker 2: They are very, very into taking care of you, okay, of course they are.

628
0:43:02,065 --> 0:43:03,030
Speaker 2: They wanna make sure you're happy.

629
0:43:03,085 --> 0:43:05,172
Speaker 2: So even if they're sick, they don't want you to know.

630
0:43:05,805 --> 0:43:10,113
Speaker 2: They might go and hide in the closet or something, but they always are paying attention to your feelings.

631
0:43:11,805 --> 0:43:16,156
Speaker 2: A cat needs to be paid attention too.

632
0:43:16,966 --> 0:43:19,192
Speaker 1: It's needy in it Mm-hmm Needy.

633
0:43:19,292 --> 0:43:22,792
Speaker 2: And so that's what it is, and so that's why they do what they do yeah.

634
0:43:22,832 --> 0:43:23,635
Speaker 1: Well, pass it to them.

635
0:43:23,725 --> 0:43:24,809
Speaker 2: They want you to pay attention to them.

636
0:43:25,070 --> 0:43:25,993
Speaker 1: I know, right, that's it.

637
0:43:26,685 --> 0:43:28,369
Speaker 1: Look at me, look at me, enough of you.

638
0:43:28,530 --> 0:43:29,392
Speaker 1: Look at me, for instance.

639
0:43:29,633 --> 0:43:30,956
Speaker 1: It's not about you, cat, it's about me.

640
0:43:32,525 --> 0:43:35,687
Speaker 1: I'm the adult here, so they're both really sweet.

641
0:43:35,708 --> 0:43:36,489
Speaker 2: They're good, yeah, they are.

642
0:43:36,509 --> 0:43:37,371
Speaker 1: They're good animals.

643
0:43:37,412 --> 0:43:40,098
Speaker 1: I mean to be fair, you can do it with any animal sort of thing.

644
0:43:40,145 --> 0:43:40,989
Speaker 1: You know rabbits are very.

645
0:43:41,225 --> 0:43:44,010
Speaker 1: Sometimes you get really cool rabbits and stuff like that guinea pigs.

646
0:43:44,291 --> 0:43:44,813
Speaker 2: Even fish.

647
0:43:46,810 --> 0:43:47,613
Speaker 1: They're super grown up named Flim.

648
0:43:47,633 --> 0:43:47,753
Speaker 2: Fluff.

649
0:43:47,773 --> 0:43:48,254
Speaker 2: Oh, did you really yes?

650
0:43:48,765 --> 0:43:49,687
Speaker 1: They're crazy things.

651
0:43:49,707 --> 0:43:50,429
Speaker 1: They're things, aren't they?

652
0:43:50,990 --> 0:43:51,712
Speaker 1: Yeah they're cute.

653
0:43:52,273 --> 0:43:53,616
Speaker 1: You still have one, yeah, so but um.

654
0:43:54,425 --> 0:43:55,468
Speaker 2: Intervention.

655
0:43:55,508 --> 0:43:59,791
Speaker 2: I would say the cats and dogs together teach, should be able to.

656
0:44:00,085 --> 0:44:03,492
Speaker 2: We have a big lesson how we should be able to live together Fantastic.

657
0:44:03,512 --> 0:44:04,435
Speaker 2: In harmony and peace.

658
0:44:04,495 --> 0:44:05,929
Speaker 2: You know, the cats and dogs teach us that.

659
0:44:06,705 --> 0:44:07,890
Speaker 2: Yep, because in one household.

660
0:44:08,065 --> 0:44:10,052
Speaker 2: We have cats and dogs and they're fine, it's great.

661
0:44:10,625 --> 0:44:12,246
Speaker 2: We can't even get it together as oh.

662
0:44:12,266 --> 0:44:13,873
Speaker 2: That's another thing I want to tell you about our industry.

663
0:44:15,548 --> 0:44:19,006
Speaker 2: I have everyday people who say Misha, what I mean?

664
0:44:19,046 --> 0:44:20,231
Speaker 2: What's wrong with Ben Affleck?

665
0:44:20,785 --> 0:44:23,053
Speaker 2: Why can he get his life together with $7 million?

666
0:44:23,325 --> 0:44:24,489
Speaker 1: He's a handsome man, is there one?

667
0:44:25,785 --> 0:44:27,251
Speaker 2: Yeah, but he's in and out of rehab.

668
0:44:28,569 --> 0:44:29,051
Speaker 1: Oh, is he really?

669
0:44:30,047 --> 0:44:40,333
Speaker 2: But I said, but I tell people that it doesn't matter how much money you make, Money does not define your life.

670
0:44:40,434 --> 0:44:41,096
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, that's it.

671
0:44:41,365 --> 0:44:43,914
Speaker 2: Money does not define your feelings, your emotions.

672
0:44:44,005 --> 0:44:44,789
Speaker 2: That's what it's all about.

673
0:44:45,445 --> 0:44:46,348
Speaker 2: So we have to part.

674
0:44:46,368 --> 0:44:50,430
Speaker 2: So, part of the program when our show goes national, we're going to be talking to these folks.

675
0:44:50,885 --> 0:44:58,138
Speaker 2: Let give them we're providing them a platform, my colleagues, a platform, yeah, to explain to the everyday person.

676
0:44:58,159 --> 0:45:03,714
Speaker 2: Okay, we need to make the everyday person also more compassionate, because these folks are not impervious to pain.

677
0:45:05,045 --> 0:45:06,030
Speaker 2: It's just, it's a job.

678
0:45:07,285 --> 0:45:09,729
Speaker 2: You might love that movie and love that song, but it's a job.

679
0:45:10,848 --> 0:45:12,013
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a job Same with everyone.

680
0:45:12,345 --> 0:45:15,630
Speaker 1: You don't see whenever you go to work how that person is do you?

681
0:45:15,665 --> 0:45:16,328
Speaker 1: Whatever sort of job.

682
0:45:17,046 --> 0:45:18,832
Speaker 2: And they need to understand our work too.

683
0:45:20,006 --> 0:45:22,495
Speaker 2: I remember I did well the movies.

684
0:45:23,287 --> 0:45:27,497
Speaker 2: That stuff is tiring, memorizing lines, doing all that.

685
0:45:27,685 --> 0:45:29,796
Speaker 2: It could become very stressful for some people.

686
0:45:30,140 --> 0:45:36,058
Speaker 2: Crazy, yeah, but when I did I worked on a one hour drama called.

687
0:45:36,465 --> 0:45:36,866
Speaker 2: It was called.

688
0:45:37,027 --> 0:45:38,311
Speaker 2: The show was called A man Called Hawk.

689
0:45:39,033 --> 0:45:43,095
Speaker 2: Okay, avery Brooks and Moses Gunn was in this particular episode.

690
0:45:43,505 --> 0:45:43,706
Speaker 1: Right.

691
0:45:44,825 --> 0:45:47,510
Speaker 2: Now you have to think about this, the stress that this causes.

692
0:45:48,065 --> 0:45:56,954
Speaker 2: Call time to be on the set is 3 am Because when the rolled the camera they need, the atmosphere needs to look like it's 5 am in the morning.

693
0:45:57,419 --> 0:45:58,125
Speaker 1: All right, can't you so?

694
0:45:58,145 --> 0:46:01,009
Speaker 2: you show up at three, you're in an inherent makeup at 3 am.

695
0:46:01,785 --> 0:46:02,910
Speaker 2: People have nine to five jobs.

696
0:46:03,005 --> 0:46:09,209
Speaker 2: Don't necessarily have to get up at 3 am To get into your makeup and then you do your scene, which could be stressful.

697
0:46:09,269 --> 0:46:17,348
Speaker 2: Things aren't working, something happens and then you're off at seven and then you got to come back at one.

698
0:46:17,760 --> 0:46:18,905
Speaker 2: So it's yeah.

699
0:46:19,200 --> 0:46:25,705
Speaker 2: So when you hear those stories about Judy Garland taking pills to wake up, taking pills to go to sleep, yeah, you can understand that that's serious if you have a heavy schedule.

700
0:46:26,307 --> 0:46:32,925
Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying, yeah, so this is a very, very stressful career and a lot of people don't understand that.

701
0:46:33,702 --> 0:46:34,986
Speaker 1: A lot of anxiety in that as well.

702
0:46:35,026 --> 0:46:38,143
Speaker 1: On top of that, especially if you're on the spotlight, you have to be perfect.

703
0:46:38,163 --> 0:46:42,721
Speaker 1: 100% the paparazzi, all the negative comments online as well, you see.

704
0:46:42,741 --> 0:46:43,424
Speaker 1: All right, jesus.

705
0:46:43,840 --> 0:46:44,523
Speaker 1: Do you know what?

706
0:46:44,563 --> 0:46:46,369
Speaker 1: I look at it and it's like I'd hate to be.

707
0:46:46,460 --> 0:46:55,196
Speaker 1: I like to be famous just because I want to be rich, but I'd hate to be famous at the same time, just because I mean I hate it when someone says that my podcast is shit, you know what I mean.

708
0:46:55,260 --> 0:46:56,184
Speaker 1: I haven't forbid.

709
0:46:56,244 --> 0:47:01,647
Speaker 1: If someone turns into me and say you look like shit as well, you bastard, I'm like oh no, you know what I mean Well.

710
0:47:01,667 --> 0:47:02,410
Speaker 1: I could handle that.

711
0:47:03,405 --> 0:47:04,660
Speaker 2: That's the self-esteem right there.

712
0:47:04,680 --> 0:47:11,094
Speaker 2: That's what we have to have people become more compassionate Of course it is, and I hope that our program will be able to.

713
0:47:11,140 --> 0:47:13,264
Speaker 2: I'm talking about when it's national now, not just in Mississippi.

714
0:47:13,545 --> 0:47:13,726
Speaker 1: Yep.

715
0:47:14,480 --> 0:47:17,950
Speaker 2: But we'll be able to help to create that culture.

716
0:47:18,781 --> 0:47:21,069
Speaker 2: You know, we got to stop laughing at people and teasing people.

717
0:47:21,300 --> 0:47:26,488
Speaker 2: My God, if God made us all look alike, sound alike, how boring would that be?

718
0:47:26,929 --> 0:47:27,411
Speaker 2: Yeah, it would be.

719
0:47:27,740 --> 0:47:36,285
Speaker 2: We need to learn to appreciate one another, appreciate one another's talents, appreciate one another's thoughts and stop all this fighting.

720
0:47:37,168 --> 0:47:37,730
Speaker 2: That's what I'm saying.

721
0:47:38,100 --> 0:47:48,707
Speaker 2: It doesn't make any sense, you know, and I don't mean to start talking about this right now, but it just happened right now about this whole thing with Israel and Palestine and the bombing and the killing, and it's just like people, please.

722
0:47:49,420 --> 0:47:50,724
Speaker 2: We've been fighting for years.

723
0:47:51,387 --> 0:47:56,348
Speaker 2: Yeah, I said All over the place, you know, just wars, wars and more wars.

724
0:47:56,820 --> 0:48:01,161
Speaker 2: And you, being in the Air Force, my dad was in the Air Force oh, ok, well, brilliant, you know.

725
0:48:01,382 --> 0:48:09,664
Speaker 2: But just to think about it, if we could all just live, happy and just live and let live, we wouldn't even need military.

726
0:48:10,607 --> 0:48:11,149
Speaker 1: No, I said.

727
0:48:11,701 --> 0:48:12,263
Speaker 2: You know what I mean?

728
0:48:12,760 --> 0:48:18,867
Speaker 2: Yeah, we're creating this environment that's just like toxic and deadly.

729
0:48:20,311 --> 0:48:20,912
Speaker 1: It'd be amazing.

730
0:48:21,120 --> 0:48:23,247
Speaker 1: It's been a little utopia sort of life.

731
0:48:24,480 --> 0:48:26,729
Speaker 1: Unfortunately, I don't think we're far from that yet.

732
0:48:26,880 --> 0:48:35,088
Speaker 1: But hey, people like yourself, and obviously your organization, are chipping away at it to get us closer there, which is, which is a great thing, which is a great thing.

733
0:48:35,200 --> 0:48:38,891
Speaker 1: So so, so me so obviously kind of wrap up and chatting away for a bit.

734
0:48:39,346 --> 0:48:40,500
Speaker 1: So where can people find out about you?

735
0:48:40,540 --> 0:48:42,247
Speaker 1: Where can people get to know your organization?

736
0:48:42,300 --> 0:48:43,285
Speaker 1: And a little bit more detail then.

737
0:48:43,700 --> 0:48:47,350
Speaker 2: Yeah, they can go to our website SuicideWatchingWellnessFoundationorg.

738
0:48:48,420 --> 0:48:53,398
Speaker 2: They can even call us at 601-882-3441.

739
0:48:53,418 --> 0:48:53,820
Speaker 1: Fantastic.

740
0:48:54,221 --> 0:49:07,931
Speaker 2: Um, just uh, I mean, and just also remember one thing Try every day to ask someone if they're OK, even if you don't know them, and also try to put a look, put a what do you call it?

741
0:49:08,040 --> 0:49:11,045
Speaker 2: A smile on someone's face today, but don't forget your own.

742
0:49:11,860 --> 0:49:21,230
Speaker 2: And they can also, ryan, go to MishaICarecom and that'll take you to the SuicideWatchingWellnessFoundationorg's website.

743
0:49:21,631 --> 0:49:23,646
Speaker 2: Fantastic, yeah, but you have an awesome.

744
0:49:23,940 --> 0:49:28,936
Speaker 2: Listen one of my favorite movies, gladiator, and you might remind me of Russell Crowell, so I'm going to say that.

745
0:49:29,240 --> 0:49:30,729
Speaker 1: Tell you what I tell you do it.

746
0:49:30,780 --> 0:49:32,728
Speaker 1: Yeah, just compliments will get you everywhere, misha.

747
0:49:32,800 --> 0:49:42,984
Speaker 1: I tell you, tell you, love, that I'm literally going to record that, I'm going to clip it and I'm going to post that out on my social media and go there, you go, have some of that.

748
0:49:43,301 --> 0:49:44,370
Speaker 2: There you go.

749
0:49:44,390 --> 0:49:45,218
Speaker 1: Awesome.

750
0:49:45,540 --> 0:49:56,228
Speaker 1: Misha will put all your details underneath us into the description of everything, all the links, how to find you, all that sort of stuff so people can find out and all that sort of thing.

751
0:49:56,280 --> 0:49:58,368
Speaker 1: But thank you so much for coming on, Misha.

752
0:49:58,480 --> 0:50:09,525
Speaker 1: It's been absolute pleasure having a chat with you and I'm very impressed with what you're doing and how you're doing things and I'm excited to see over the next few years how you guys expand what you're doing and hopefully saving some people.

753
0:50:10,001 --> 0:50:14,750
Speaker 2: All right, I hope you have me back in three years so I can say, hey, have you gone to that Sunbeam house over there?

754
0:50:15,080 --> 0:50:16,345
Speaker 1: I know, yeah, we've got one over there.

755
0:50:16,365 --> 0:50:16,726
Speaker 1: Why are you not?

756
0:50:16,746 --> 0:50:17,268
Speaker 1: What's my way?

757
0:50:18,121 --> 0:50:18,582
Speaker 1: I'm sorry.

758
0:50:19,940 --> 0:50:20,884
Speaker 1: I'm sorry over there.

759
0:50:21,085 --> 0:50:22,665
Speaker 1: I'll be there, Bells and whistles on.

760
0:50:22,800 --> 0:50:23,603
Speaker 1: I'll be an advocate of it.

761
0:50:23,623 --> 0:50:24,125
Speaker 1: Of course I will.

762
0:50:25,023 --> 0:50:26,030
Speaker 2: Oh, thank you, Ryan.